Its well into the 3rd of the month here in New Zealand, yet no one has started the June thread yet - well here goes.
Here's one of several drool worthy Indian Rupees from the Raj era I bought last week. This one is AU
Isn't she a beauty - I love seeing coins in this shape, this old.
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Plenty more where that came from, one of the dealers here had a huge collection of old Rupees he was breaking up. These were exceptional examples ranging from fine to UNC.
1877 Dot (Bombay) - aEF
1883 Uncirculated(!) Again a Bombay raised dot coin (Light tone). The dealer charged on average $40NZ for VF or worse coins, $56 or $64 for EF, $100 for AU and $145 for these UNC coins (NZ dollar/peso - not American worth 1.6x as much).
1884 Uncirculated again - its like it is 1884 again. Coin is Incuse B mintmark in lower plant (Bombay)
1888 EF+ - Another nice coin, the Queen is virtually UNC, Obverse has a weak strike, light wear - B in top plant.
1890 - EF C in Top plant (Large) Calcutta - possibly cleaned in past (Why?)
1893 - Nice EF/AU but cleaned in past - Calcutta, large C in top plant
1901 Also Uncirculated, but toned - still nice. Calcutta coin (Lower plant - but top central leaf in it, incuse C)
I now have 3 1901 rupees, 2 bombays and this, one of them was given to me though!
Edward VII 1907 - Calcutta (No mintmark) - the Edwardian rupees were dull next to Victorian ones, this coin is also only good Fine, which contrasts to the high grade Victorias. George V and George VI rupees at least revived the floral design, although less pleasing than the maginificence of those Victorian era coins.
I will admit I am new to Rupee and colonial Raj coins (I only have 31 Rupees and 12 other smaller coins). So always learning.
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I hope I can find one of these next weekend, there will be a coin fair in São Paulo and I'm planning to go there.
And happy birthday to you.
Thank you! There were a few coins with the handwritten ‘Heller’ since they were minted by more than one German state, so I think you'll find one easily.
And next up is just a few of the nicer things that were in a small lot I had grabbed. Nothing too crazy here, but still cool to show!
Anyways, that’s all for now y’all, can’t wait to see what else everybody gets this month! There’s a couple things I have my eyes on, so I’ll be sure to hop back in and send those if I grab them!
My first purchase of the month was a 1921 Peace dollar in roughly VF grade and I'm glad to finally acquire one as the Peace dollar is one of my favorite American coins. There's a show happening later this month and as always I'm looking to expand my collection of Chinese and Japanese silver and copper so I hope to be able to show you all some nice pieces then.
Hi, the weekend auctions arrived in the mail this morning. The seller had it so perfectly packed that one coin didn't touch the other (I'll show it in the thread about the auction)
It doesn't make sense to rotate, I'll show a pattern of each type, how the front and back look.
This is not typically an area of the world or coin type I collect, but I did find the mistrike to be quite interesting. I suppose the quality control was relaxed a bit during the war years, allowing coins like this to reach circulation. I look forward to seeing what else is added to this thread for this month.
(I am aware the bottom image is orientated incorrectly and should be flipped, I just compared it to the Numista catalogue one)
A big bargain, it was way below the normal price due to the bad state. The seller couldn't identify the reverse in such state but luckily there was an AVGG that I could start with.
My impression or is it slightly better than the one in the coin page?
And I've spent the most of the planned budget on missing national coins, I've got two big silvers and the last commemoratives that I was missing (the trio of the slavery abolition anniversary and the duo of 90's FAOs).
With them I've finished a goal: Having every common Brazilian coin from 1850 onwards. What excludes golds and ones with very low mintage.
That is something that my deceased grandfather wasn't even close to, so I've set this goal after he passed away a year ago. Excluding the rares and the big silvers, almost all coins are not expensive, and I've left the expensives for last. And had almost all the easy ones when he passed.
Today I found a 2020-W Salt River Bay quarter at work. This is my third W-quarter I've found so far and they've all been from finding them at work. The other two I have are the Lowell and Weir Farm quarters.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of W-quarters mostly because I don't really like the designs on the coins anyways but I do like the program that the mint did and I hope they do similar programs in the future. When they make every quarter a commemorative coin, they all become boring and don't feel special in my opinion. I think they should either make circulating commemorative issues a rare occasion, like with the drummer boy quarters before they started the state quarters program, let people order the special commemorative designs from the mint, or release only a few commemorative coins into greater circulation such as the W-quarters or like how they do in the U.K. I hope that the designs for the 250th anniversary are better than what they've been coming up with lately. I love the idea of the American Women series but man are those designs just ugly. The first time I saw the design for the Jovita Idar quarter I thought it was a concept or test design, not the approved, developed finished product. On its own it's a beautiful design but not at all befitting a circulating coin. It would be impossible to even tell what the denomination was if you were unfamiliar with American coinage. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Anyways, that's my two cents on what the mint is doing.
Two cents - more like a quarter's worth!! But I agree, those women deserve better designs than seen on those quarters. The America the beautiful, coins were a bit better, the only thing that marred them was the frame around each design. It was too large and thick and distracted from the location shown.
I have been buying up a storm - some 2 kgs of bulk stacking silver - mostly New Guinea holed shillings (80), and around 120 British 50% silver florins from 1920 - 1946. Also some worn halfcrowns before 1920 and less worn later ones. About 50 Canadian quarters as well, including 22 of the 50% silver 1968 coins (Mostly AU -MS).
These are some more Rupees I bought, 3 of them are 1862 and show 4, 5 and 6 dots above the bottom plant. I just learned that 1862 dated rupees were frozen dated until 1874 and dots actually meant the restrike number and likely what year (so in this case 1865,66 and 67?). My original 1862 rupee had 7 dots and some one said it was likely struck in 1868. They go up to 11 dots. Also as they were high grade pieces (All EF or AU). The 4 dot coin is the best, although the others are nothing to be sneezed at.
The more I learn about silver rupees, the more I want to know.
And just a plain 1900 Rupee with Bombay mintmark at top (Incuse)
Another AU coin, this shows the longevity of that design - 38 years!
And 2 curious pieces I bought yesterday
1939 Canadian half dollar, likely EF with some toning, however attempts at cleaning middle or excessive handling mar it a bit. But at $29 and being a lower mintage - it was a good buy and filled a gap.
A coin I have always wanted to buy - a piece of eight! Although by this time, piracy was pretty passe and the coin is a high quality screw press striking, not a rough cobo de barra with a crude cross showing on it.
This is 1801 Casa de Moneda Mexico and Carlos IV (1788 - 1807). In 21 years these would be Mexican dollars.
These coins were used widely in colonial New South Wales and New Zealadn until 1841 and we are lucky this one was not mutilated or turned into a holey dollar or Bank of England Dollar. Spanish dollars were good silver and traded between 4 and 5 shillings (usually 4/3). They were the premier silver coin at a time before US dollars and British crowns on hiatus. Their only serious competition was the Maria Theresa thaler, which had less purity.
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My dad received the new King Charles £20 note. I’m shocked because I’m still waiting for the one via the Bank of England which I sent in £300 almost a week ago. I’ll add the photo of it to Numista once the thunderstorm passes.
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Nice additions you all 👆 👀 👍. I particularly like the Victorian rupees. As for Charles III notes, Canada expects to have a new $20 note ready for… well… 2027.
Nice additions you all 👆 👀 👍. I particularly like the Victorian rupees. As for Charles III notes, Canada expects to have a new $20 note ready for… well… 2027.
That soon? New Zealand is still releasing notes from 2021. Fresh $5 and $10 notes I got today, still with 2015 prefixes!! $20 and $50 stuck in 2018 and 2021 and just one solo issue of $100 from 2016. Meanwhile shops and banks now are banning cash, which is illegal for electric and net payment. What happens when the net is hacked to death and crashes or power fails because Russia or China nukes us?
I would say we get Charles III notes, when they crown King George VII!
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My dad received the new King Charles £20 note. I’m shocked because I’m still waiting for the one via the Bank of England which I sent in £300 almost a week ago.
Do you mean your dad got the KCIII £20 from actual circulation?
I read somewhere that ''some'' KCIII notes were put into ATMs and given to the Post Office for their change on release day. Don't know whether this is true. But it would or could explain your dad's find.
My dad received the new King Charles £20 note. I’m shocked because I’m still waiting for the one via the Bank of England which I sent in £300 almost a week ago.
Do you mean your dad got the KCIII £20 from actual circulation?
I read somewhere that ''some'' KCIII notes were put into ATMs and given to the Post Office for their change on release day. Don't know whether this is true. But it would or could explain your dad's find.
True however the KCIII notes were only realised from 14 post offices the nearest to me is Great Massingham (just under 40 miles from me) so the most likely scenario is the lady received them via the exchange program the Bank of England is offering until the end of June.
Well my dad received the note after she paid with it in front of him in a fish and chip shop.
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As for Charles III notes, Canada expects to have a new $20 note ready for… well… 2027.
That soon? New Zealand is still releasing notes from 2021. Fresh $5 and $10 notes I got today, still with 2015 prefixes!! $20 and $50 stuck in 2018 and 2021 and just one solo issue of $100 from 2016. Meanwhile shops and banks now are banning cash, which is illegal for electric and net payment. What happens when the net is hacked to death and crashes or power fails because Russia or China nukes us?
I would say we get Charles III notes, when they crown King George VII!
I noticed that NZ had not yet issued a single circulation coin with the new effigy. I'm therefore not too surprised that banknotes will take quite a while to appear, especially that the last Elizabethan $20 design was approved just a few months before her death.
As for the coins, based on this Revenue Bank of NZ page, you better be patient. Quoting Ian Woolford, Director of Money and Cash:
While it’s unlikely that New Zealanders will see the new effigy in their change until 2027, it will be seen on our legal tender coins for the first time with the 2024 proof currency set to be produced by NZ Post under licence from the Reserve Bank.
The first circulating coin to bear the new effigy will likely be the 10-cent piece, with an expected minting date of 2025. The first mintings of the other 4 denominations with the new image are likely to be in 2027. Coins typically enter circulation about 2 years after production.
There is no immediate impact on New Zealand’s banknote and coins designs and cash use as a result of a change in Sovereign. All existing coins and $20 banknotes in circulation featuring Queen Elizabeth the Second remain legal tender. It will be several years before we need to introduce coins featuring King Charles the Third, and longer until stocks of $20 notes are exhausted.
Indeed given his uncertain health situation he may well pass away before then. It's unlikely, but far from impossible.
Depressing timeline for NZ coins (and banknotes) with KCIII's effigy.
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I'm therefore not too surprised that banknotes will take quite a while to appear, especially that the last Elizabethan $20 design was approved just a few months before her death.
- I doubt Canada will fast-track the release of KCIII's effigy on our $20. Last summer (2023), I happened to catch a couple FZZ $20 prefixes with the most recent “Lane Macklem” signature combo. Timothy Lane was not a Sr Deputy Governor but was “Acting” in that position during the tail end of the pandemic while they waited for Rogers to take over the post. I started looking for the new prefixes (FZT to FLA) last fall & abandoned the pursuit by the new year since only old prefixes appeared. So we have probably 5 - 8 new prefixes of the Lane-Macklem & then the Rogers - Macklem versions (unless they decide to update the $20 by then). Hard to say: but keep in mind that the BoC promised to redesign the $5.00 back in 2017 & we've still have that old 2013 “Frontiers” version. Nothing really moves fast when it comes to cash & we're not far behind New Zealand when it comes to making cash “a thing of the past.” It seems crazy, but as I have warned before, nobody is championing cash use so it could become impossible to pay using cash (as it currently is for so many things).
Depressing timeline for NZ coins (and banknotes) with KCIII's effigy.
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I'm therefore not too surprised that banknotes will take quite a while to appear, especially that the last Elizabethan $20 design was approved just a few months before her death.
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- I doubt Canada will fast-track the release of KCIII's effigy on our $20. Last summer (2023), I happened to catch a couple FZZ $20 prefixes with the most recent “Lane Macklem” signature combo. Timothy Lane was not a Sr Deputy Governor but was “Acting” in that position during the tail end of the pandemic while they waited for Rogers to take over the post. I started looking for the new prefixes (FZT to FLA) last fall & abandoned the pursuit by the new year since only old prefixes appeared. So we have probably 5 - 8 new prefixes of the Lane-Macklem & then the Rogers - Macklem versions (unless they decide to update the $20 by then). Hard to say: but keep in mind that the BoC promised to redesign the $5.00 back in 2017 & we've still have that old 2013 “Frontiers” version. Nothing really moves fast when it comes to cash & we're not far behind New Zealand when it comes to making cash “a thing of the past.” It seems crazy, but as I have warned before, nobody is championing cash use so it could become impossible to pay using cash (as it currently is for so many things).
For those who might be interested, here's the Government of Canada's policy and how the Bank of Canada will implement it:
On May 6, 2023, the Government of Canada announced that the next $20 bank note will feature a portrait of the reigning monarch, His Majesty King Charles III. The back will continue to feature the Canadian National Vimy Memorial.
The Bank is implementing the Government of Canada’s plans and is proceeding with the redesign of the $20 note. As such, work on redesigning the $5 has been stopped.
On May 6, 2023, the Government of Canada announced that the next $20 bank note will continue to feature a portrait of the reigning monarch, King Charles III. Learn what we know so far, and what’s next.
At the coronation of His Majesty King Charles III, the Government of Canada announced that the next $20 bank note will continue to feature a portrait of the reigning monarch.
The Minister of Finance has now also confirmed that the Canadian National Vimy Memorial will remain on the back of the note.
We’ve since started the design process for the next $20. This includes historical and visual research and talking to experts and the Bank’s Indigenous Advisory Circle. […]
We expect the new $20 note to begin circulating in early 2027.
So the other denominations ($5 / $50 / $100) in the vertical “Note-able Canadian” series will take at least a decade to be released since the $10 was put into circulation in 2018!
Still the Canadian situation is a little less depressing than New Zealand's! Now let's wait and see whether the timeline is respected…
As for signatures, I have yet to see a single note with the new Rogers / Macklem pair of signatures. The other day I went to the ATM to withdraw $200. “Strange”, I thought to myself, “I wasn't asked what denominations I want”. Well, I received forty $5 notes (!), none of interest to me as a collectible. There was none with the new signatures though they have been reported (and I believe, the vertical $10 note has also been issued with the new signatures).
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My dad received the new King Charles £20 note. I’m shocked because I’m still waiting for the one via the Bank of England which I sent in £300 almost a week ago.
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Do you mean your dad got the KCIII £20 from actual circulation?
I read somewhere that ''some'' KCIII notes were put into ATMs and given to the Post Office for their change on release day. Don't know whether this is true. But it would or could explain your dad's find.
On the site BanknoteNews, they very recently reported the circulation of three UK Charles III notes:
My dad received the new King Charles £20 note. I’m shocked because I’m still waiting for the one via the Bank of England which I sent in £300 almost a week ago.
redlock
Do you mean your dad got the KCIII £20 from actual circulation?
I read somewhere that ''some'' KCIII notes were put into ATMs and given to the Post Office for their change on release day. Don't know whether this is true. But it would or could explain your dad's find.
On the site BanknoteNews, they very recently reported the circulation of three UK Charles III notes:
Because these are basically a continuation of the previous series the new KCIII notes do not start at AA01 000001
£5: CA01 000001
£10: HB01 000001
£20: EH01 000001
£50 : AJ01 000001
From this info maybe it’s possible to estimate the amount of previous QEII polymer notes printed.
By the way one guy in a Facebook group I’m in is reselling CA01 000095-97 for £995.
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Because these are basically a continuation of the previous series the new KCIII notes do not start at AA01 000001
£5: CA01 000001
£10: HB01 000001
£20: EH01 000001
£50 : AJ01 000001
From this info maybe it’s possible to estimate the amount of previous QEII polymer notes printed.
Okay, let's do a little math for the £50 note. Of course, could become embarrassing…
Letter prefixes AA, AB, AC, AD and AE were printed with QEII's effigy. Numbers are (AA)01-(AA)40 and (AA)41-(AA)80 because 40 notes per sheet.
Thus, the entire AA run is 80 plate positions x 1 million sheets = 80.000.000 notes
5 letter prefixes: 400.000.000 QEII polymer £50 were printed.
Have I made any miscalculation(s)?
I came up with a number around the 890 million mark. For the £5 note my estimation from the data on the BofE website just over 3.1 billion £5 were printed 2015-2017.
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Worldwide collection For the £5 note my estimation from the data on the BofE website just over 3.1 billion £5 were printed 2015-2017.
The number of 3.1 billion polymer £5 printed is way too high.
According to the very reliable Pam West the following 13 letter prefixes were printed for the polymer £5 with QEII effigy:
AA AB AC AD AE AH AJ AK AL AM BA BB BC
Therefore: 13 x 60 (notes per sheet) x 1.000.000 = 780.000.000
Until a couple of years ago, the BoE published once a year how many banknotes were printed. Unfortunately, the time period reported was not January-December. Instead 12 months over two years.
The figures for the £5 were:
2013/14: 232 million
2014/15: 221 million
2015/16: 256 million
2016/17: 349 million
2017/18: 0
Let's assume the production of the polymer £5 began in 2013. The total would be 1.058 billion. Even if the production began in early 2013, it's not more than 1.2 billion. Far less than the 3.1 billion you estimated.
One thing seems to be pretty certain however. There must be letter prefixes of QEII £5 that have thus far not entered circulation.
Official anniversary set of the Czech Mint, for the year 2024. I already presented one set at the beginning of the year, for the birth of a child, I received this anniversary set from my son today.
Exonumium "Staroměstsky orloj" is added to circulating coins:
Official anniversary set of the Czech Mint, for the year 2024. I already presented one set at the beginning of the year, for the birth of a child, I received this anniversary set from my son today.
Exonumium "Staroměstsky orloj" is added to circulating coins:
I haven’t acquired any new coins this month apart from a couple orders placed but which won’t come anytime soon. I’ve used the time to put all my loose coins in flip and reorganize my coin albums. Seeing many coins after a very long time, some of which I forgot I even had!
Nice! I have to do much the same thing. I'm organizing my new home office which will make it easier to then organize my collection. Most of the common coins are currently in metal boxes.
A collector friend once advised - collect the items that appeal to you.
Here is a better pic, and one of the reverse. The coin is an Ethered variant, and one of the last to have a meaningful inscription - I notice it is not in the numista listings, I will add it in due course when I do a better image.
Nice! I have to do much the same thing. I'm organizing my new home office which will make it easier to then organize my collection. Most of the common coins are currently in metal boxes.
Same here. I had around 1600 pieces spread in multiple boxes with some in flips, others not and countries completely mixed. its been 3 weeks of doing this every night while watching TV haha . But with this , I am almost at the end. Just some more sheets and a couple albums and I’ll be done for a while. That would bring it to 23-24 albums each holding 420-460 coins !
@ashloboI would suggest using a flat clinch stapler so you reduce to size and it's bit more easy on the sheets.
Good eye and yes I had wished I did that to begin with. This was my second “great reorganization” . I‘ll start stocking the flat staples and staplers whenever I have to switch out older flips going forward
@ashloboI would suggest using a flat clinch stapler so you reduce to size and it's bit more easy on the sheets.
Good eye and yes I had wished I did that to begin with. This was my second “great reorganization” . I‘ll start stocking the flat staples and staplers whenever I have to switch out older flips going forward
A pair of pliers would work quite well for flattening the ‘traditional staples’ already in the 2x2s.
@ashloboI would suggest using a flat clinch stapler so you reduce to size and it's bit more easy on the sheets.
Good eye and yes I had wished I did that to begin with. This was my second “great reorganization” . I‘ll start stocking the flat staples and staplers whenever I have to switch out older flips going forward
A pair of pliers would work quite well for flattening the ‘traditional staples’ already in the 2x2s.
Ladies and gentlemen, for my 1000th post on this forum I present my Legionary Denarius of Mark Antony:
A worn specimen, and with a jewelry hole that was later filled. But I don't think that there is a better specimen available right now within my country.
It came from the same seller in São Paulo that got me that Octavian/Julius Caesar coin (see april's thread).
The seller said that the legion was unknown, the letters in reverse are worn out and there's the hole.
But after getting it on hand, easily found the letters LEG and managed to find traces of the numerals, and I've identified it as Legion XXI.
But I must say that was only because I have a good sight for small things. On this case the numerals are so worn that I didn't believed that I've managed to see them.
was supposed to go to the torex today, but felt lazy. Or maybe I just didn’t feel like all the travel and dropping any cash today. So instead I kept going with reorganizing my coin collection and finally have everything (Almost!) in the albums. I have some more sheets, just have to get the cover and as it happens, my shelf has space just for one more.
next is to start checking off what I have listed in Numista vs what’s in these albums
was supposed to go to the torex today, but felt lazy. Or maybe I just didn’t feel like all the travel and dropping any cash today. So instead I kept going with reorganizing my coin collection and finally have everything (Almost!) in the albums. I have some more sheets, just have to get the cover and as it happens, my shelf has space just for one more.
next is to start checking off what I have listed in Numista vs what’s in these albums
Inventory audit! 😰
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
And next up we got this 1966 Ireland 🇮🇪 10 Shillings. This one was a circulating silver (.833) commemorative celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Easter Rising
welp this is my newest purchase a Karl Goetz Bavaria 3 mark copper pattern(sellers pics)
Karl Goetz was a amazing engraver, nice one.
Here is my latest coin.
A ⅔ Taler coin from Braunschweig & Lüneburg Calenberg-Hannover from 1677 seems this type is not yet in our catalogue
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Yesterday when I was noodling through some bags of 1p's from the bank I got this nice little hole filler for my “by date” UK collection (only cost me 1 penny)
Yesterday when I was noodling through some bags of 1p's from the bank I got this nice little hole filler for my “by date” UK collection (only cost me 1 penny)
Such a long time since decimalisation, and people are still just ‘spending’ old coins rather than considering the possibility that they might be worth something over face value!
And next up we got this 1966 Ireland 🇮🇪 10 Shillings. This one was a circulating silver (.833) commemorative celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Easter Rising
Here are some more buy ins, been a bit quiet due to a recent bulk buy in and other things. Plus the mail has got real slow lately. Things are taking a week or more to arrive now!
Something a bit more bizarre, a random USA 1964 set in a Whitman label. Despite the grubby appearance, you can open it and the coins are all stunning. Its nothing that special, but I paid barely melt for it ($32 with $29 of silver in it). The sticker I am leaving as it says 95 cents and obviously likely dates from 1964/65 as the face value of the coins was 91 cents. Its not a proof set or mint set, as there is no medallion and the half, quarter and penny are Denver ,and the nickel and dime are Philadelphia mint!
So my guess is some coin company collected some random fresh coins and put them in the case as a souvenir.
Next up an interesting Boer Florin. Its an 1892 first year coin minted in Berlin, German Empire rather than Pretoria and survives in good Fine condition - also a low mintage. The most interesting thing about it, is that its a piece of trench art! Almost certainly the Kruger bust was “accessorised” in the 2nd Boer War (1899 - 1902) and a hat and pipe have been scratched on. More examples of altered and defaced Boer coins are known from this era and its a historical piece. Most likely the defacer of the coin was a soldier from the British Empire, maybe even a New Zealander!
Finally we have a Chilean Peso from 1896, another addition to my “19th century silver pesos collection”
This surprised me as its 1896, yet only 19.9 grams and 0.835 silver. Usually the debasing and size reductions only started after WW1 (Post 1918), but in Chile this started in the late 1870s. (My holed Uruguayan coins were full sized and 90 % silver from the 1890s). So something must have happened (Possibly bankruptcy from the wars with Peru and Bolivia?). Its well worn too and unlike the Uruguayan coins, no holes!
Still strange as my Chilean 50 centavos of 1870 is a full weight coin (12.5 grams) and 90% silver, yet by 1893 the Chilean 5 - 50 centavos were worse than this - only 50% silver.
Still I buy these kind of things, as they interest me and you hardly see any really old Latin American coins here - always the much later base metal and inflated era stuff.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Here are some more buy ins, been a bit quiet due to a recent bulk buy in and other things. Plus the mail has got real slow lately. Things are taking a week or more to arrive now!
Something a bit more bizarre, a random USA 1964 set in a Whitman label. Despite the grubby appearance, you can open it and the coins are all stunning. Its nothing that special, but I paid barely melt for it ($32 with $29 of silver in it). The sticker I am leaving as it says 95 cents and obviously likely dates from 1964/65 as the face value of the coins was 91 cents. Its not a proof set or mint set, as there is no medallion and the half, quarter and penny are Denver ,and the nickel and dime are Philadelphia mint!
So my guess is some coin company collected some random fresh coins and put them in the case as a souvenir.
Next up an interesting Boer Florin. Its an 1892 first year coin minted in Berlin, German Empire rather than Pretoria and survives in good Fine condition - also a low mintage. The most interesting thing about it, is that its a piece of trench art! Almost certainly the Kruger bust was “accessorised” in the 2nd Boer War (1899 - 1902) and a hat and pipe have been scratched on. More examples of altered and defaced Boer coins are known from this era and its a historical piece. Most likely the defacer of the coin was a soldier from the British Empire, maybe even a New Zealander!
Finally we have a Chilean Peso from 1896, another addition to my “19th century silver pesos collection”
This surprised me as its 1896, yet only 19.9 grams and 0.835 silver. Usually the debasing and size reductions only started after WW1 (Post 1918), but in Chile this started in the late 1870s. (My holed Uruguayan coins were full sized and 90 % silver from the 1890s). So something must have happened (Possibly bankruptcy from the wars with Peru and Bolivia?). Its well worn too and unlike the Uruguayan coins, no holes!
Still strange as my Chilean 50 centavos of 1870 is a full weight coin (12.5 grams) and 90% silver, yet by 1893 the Chilean 5 - 50 centavos were worse than this - only 50% silver.
Still I buy these kind of things, as they interest me and you hardly see any really old Latin American coins here - always the much later base metal and inflated era stuff.
Amazing additions Moneytane especially the Chilean Peso! It seems like most South American countries were the first to start debasing silver in modern times that started in the 1880s and mostly ended before WWII although Uruguay continued to issue low percentage silver coins into the 50s and Venezuela at 83% silver until 1965.
For me the only additions are the New KCIII banknotes.
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That set is much better than mine. They have held up very well, the lustre. I love how the mint is basically saying - "yes they will tarnish and lose their shine and don't you dare return them!"
Love the Hudsons Bay - Scrip, interesting its in paper form, imagine it would disintegrate quickly in the harsh climate. Here most of our scrip was in tokens made out of base metals like brass and nickel.
1920s set of tokens, given to farm workers by Co op companies. These were paid in lieu of wages and again good for company store credit.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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However, packaged in that soft plastic bag, I'm sure the coins will be more like Unc. by now than Proof. Certainly, I wouldn't pay more than an Unc. price for them, regardless of the label.
Proof is not a grade but a finish. If they have issues they would be impaired proofs that can run from UNC to XF maybe good VF (if there are no distinguishing features it will get ever harder to discern if a coin is a proof issue from that point).
However, packaged in that soft plastic bag, I'm sure the coins will be more like Unc. by now than Proof. Certainly, I wouldn't pay more than an Unc. price for them, regardless of the label.
Not sure what the rest of the community think?
For 1964 or earlier, Mint issued UNC sets cost significantly more than Proof sets. Remember, twice the number of coins and twice the silver content. Also, I don't know how a Proof struck (polished blanks, polished dies, multiple slower higher pressure) coin could degrade over time to a mass produced for circulation type coin.
Exhibit 1 - 1927 UK crown started life as a Proof coin that once looked like this
My actual Proof 1927 crown from a proof set - 15k minted. Most have stayed this way and most are better than my heavily toned example. This one may even have some wear and would more likely be AU, making it an impaired proof (Then again it was an era of poor quality weak striking).
Yet this one below entered circulation and honestly try and tell it apart from a standard circulation coin.
Any evidence of proof finish is long gone, okay the fields look a bit smoover than usual coins, but when a Proof UNC wears down to VG/Fine its indistinguishable from standard coins and we know this was once a proof, as no 1927 dated crowns were minted for circulation.
Proof coins mostly before the 1960s and outside the USA often only were struck twice and had mirrored surfaces, but not the cameoing effect.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Love the Hudsons Bay - Scrip, interesting its in paper form, imagine it would disintegrate quickly in the harsh climate. Here most of our scrip was in tokens made out of base metals like brass and nickel.
Most HBC issues were aluminium and brass tokens. The cardboard notes originated from three British Columbia posts; they were not an issue authorized by the governors of the Company.
I suppose the fabric on the back was meant to make them more sturdy. They're actually quite thick for their small size.
Love the Hudsons Bay - Scrip, interesting its in paper form, imagine it would disintegrate quickly in the harsh climate. Here most of our scrip was in tokens made out of base metals like brass and nickel.
Most HBC issues were aluminium and brass tokens. The cardboard notes originated from three British Columbia posts; they were not an issue authorized by the governors of the Company.
I suppose the fabric on the back was meant to make them more sturdy. They're actually quite thick for their small size.
Fair enough, BC was a milder and wetter climate, plus WW1 meant shortages of many metals that were needed for making munitions.
Oh and happy Canada day!
Us New Zealanders are very fond of Canada, I almost see it as northern New Zealand, my Canada collection is housed in an album called “North New Zealand” and my USA collection in “North Australia”.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Fair enough, BC was a milder and wetter climate, plus WW1 meant shortages of many metals that were needed for making munitions.
Oh and happy Canada day!
Us New Zealanders are very fond of Canada, I almost see it as northern New Zealand, my Canada collection is housed in an album called “North New Zealand” and my USA collection in “North Australia”.
157 years old today. One of the oldest democracies in the world.
Northern Australia, as you call it, will turn 148 [of course 248!] on July 4th. It is still a democracy and hopefully will remain so long after the sesquicentennial [250th!]. The ancient Athenians, where we get the term “democracy” from, would certainly be amused at this description of the US being a democracy. A two-party system with two senile leaders at their helm… For the Athenians, the US would more likely be described as a soft oligarchy. In Canada, too, the first-past-the-post system is very anti-democratic. As a matter of fact, New Zealand is often cited for how in your system almost every vote counts.
In the 19th century the HBC was criticized in the Canadian parliament for being a monopoly over huge tracks of crown land. It's one of the oldest companies in the world, having been founded in 1670, but is now only a shadow of its former self.
Just received these over the weekend from a good friend in Holland. They contain a variety of 1999, 2000 and 2001 Dutch Euro coins and we're apparently available for the public to buy from banks or the post office just after the Euro came into circulation.
Fantastic condition coins now right from the start of the new currency.
I agree, the Electoral College is the reason why the USA is an Oligarchy like Sparta. They have been trying to get rid of it for years. The EC was the reason Trump and Dubya both got in. Also 248 years I believe.
Its hard to date how old NZ's democracy is - 1840 is the Treaty of Waitangi, but only 2 places were settled then. The Provinces ran from 1853 to 1876 (148 years ago), and then we only got Dominion status in 1907 (117 years ago), but the Statue of Westminster was only in 1931 (93 years ago) and some even say it was as late as 1947 when we got full and total independence, which was only 77 years ago the same time as India.
Also both of our countries, still lack Presidents and have Charles III as our head of state. Some countries would say we are not independent and still colonies of the UK as our head of state is not a local but a foreign king. Historical ties have loosened as more of our populations are either non indigenous (Maoris and Canadian Indians, British decent people and in your case the French Celine Dion types too) and these newcomers object here at least to this continual British colonial presence. Not sure about Canada, but the next left wing government will like see the “Peoples Democratic and Socialist Federative Republic of Aotearoa” emerge.
Mimael - Those coin magazines remind me of the late 1990s Fabbri money of the world series (Despite the Italiano name, the publication was entirely British and in English). They were really cheap low quality publications offering worthless inflation notes (The cheapest and most worthless like that 2 bolivares) and usually aluminium, brass, steel or obselete coins that were the lowest possible face value. To be honest I would not buy it, as those partworks are a ripoff and then you miss parts and its pointless.
Whats funny is “Mince” in English is minced beef meat. So when we make Spaghetti Bolognese, we use MINCE as the meet. It also means a sissified way of walking - eg: Julian Clary minces around, look at those Pride marchers mincing.
Most of us want FPP back, as MMP has seen the rise of almost endless loopy 3rd party Politicians getting in and making our governments more fractitious. We have a Maori party which is really separatist and a loopy Green party which has banned plastic bags, disposable everything and served up and endless line of theiving and lying female MPs who always play the victim card.
Be thankful you have FPP, because MMP is horrible, in 10 elections we have had just one majority government and that was the Labour fiasco of 2020/23 that was hounded out of office after military dictatorship junta rules through Covid and racist acts were passed. Everey election we have to wait weeks as main parties make deals with Fringe parties to form a government and we have one guy called Winston peters who is Trump's age and he always ends up in power.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
I certainly hope the next Canadian government will be yet another minority one. Hopefully Trudeau will go before then as this would likely help to prevent a sharp turn to the right.
Yes, it's a common argument that the Dominions are ruled by a foreign king, and it's true. Yet, Charles is King of Canada / of Australia / of New Zealand and others as sovereign nations with their own foreign policy (the key indicator of sovereignty). One rare area where Canada and the other “dominions” had to replicate the laws of the United Kingdom in more recent history was when the male-preference rule of succession to the throne was abolished. There was, of course, little danger of a constitutional crisis since the next two heirs to the throne are male: William “V” and George “VII”.
Well… it's true we're kinda off topic… But here is something I won and paid for in the evening of June 30th:
I should receive it this week and will post better pics in the July thread.
The post office has now brought him and many others, but I cannot publish that one due to the political and health reasons of some members. Well, just one, and that's the tallest for a head example.
Can you imagine the dignity if he was wearing a golden crown with diamonds and a long cloak of leopard skin and was carried by 6 white golf carts hitched behind him?
That would be a worthy head on coins and not some laughing queens or monarchs. This is a portrait and sitting in that golf cart.
What? But take it with humor, something fantasy and maybe reality.
That coin is horrible, yet common - they are for sale everywhere and you can even buy Trump silver rounds.
I remember joke newspaper “The Onion” ran a story in 2003 saying Clinton had declared himself President for life and it showed a photo of him in a white uniform complete with medals, orders and huge shoulder epaulettes. He looked like a South American or African dictateur.
No coins as the coin market here has really died off lately on Trade Me.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
all the stuff I got at the Whitman Coin Show
all the stuff I got at the Whitman Coin Show
welp this is my newest purchase a Karl Goetz Bavaria 3 mark copper pattern(sellers pics)
welp this is my newest purchase a Karl Goetz Bavaria 3 mark copper pattern(sellers pics)
