1563 Poland or Lithuania ? [解決]

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tpal1961
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Posted: 19 6月 2020, 17:18 #
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The coins for Lithuania and Poland for 1563 look very similar to me in Numista, or are they the same? What distinguishes this coin from being from either Poland or Lithuania? Many thanks, Tom
ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 19 6月 2020, 18:02 #
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In between MAGNI and DVCAT is different symbols.
Apart from generally there is a slightly different eagle, and horseman.
I think yours is more like the Poland coin.

Poland: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces104468.html
Lithuania: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces35047.html
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tpal1961
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Posted: 19 6月 2020, 19:55 #
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引用する: "ZacUK"​ In between MAGNI and DVCAT is different symbols.
​Apart from generally there is a slightly different eagle, and horseman.
​I think yours is more like the Poland coin.
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​Poland: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces104468.html
​Lithuania: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces35047.html
​Yes, with this information, I can see the differences. This is the first time I've used the forum, and appreciate the quick help and education!
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gdrsb
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Posted: 19 6月 2020, 20:59 #
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C'mon, both are the Lithuanian coins. The are no Polish half-groats of Sigismund August at all!!! Lithuanian groat of Sigismund August had a 20% higher value than the Polish groat of the same ruler. F.e. two groats of 1546 of the same ruler , Lithuanian https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/zygmunt-ii-august-grosz-litewski-1546-piekny-stan-i8303590455.html
and Polish https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/grosz-litewski-na-stope-polska-1546-zygmunt-august-i7586879068.html ; Polish coin is smaller, and have less silver simply.
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tpal1961
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Posted: 19 6月 2020, 22:43 #
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引用する: "gdrsb"​C'mon, both are the Lithuanian coins. The are no Polish half-groats of Sigismund August at all!!! Lithuanian groat of Sigismund August had a 20% higher value than the Polish groat of the same ruler. F.e. two groats of 1546 of the same ruler , Lithuanian https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/zygmunt-ii-august-grosz-litewski-1546-piekny-stan-i8303590455.html
​ and Polish https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/grosz-litewski-na-stope-polska-1546-zygmunt-august-i7586879068.html ; Polish coin is smaller, and have less silver simply.
​I should have mentioned the weight is 1.15 grams. Diameter 1.9 cm. So are you saying the Numista listing for Polish half groats is an error?
gdrsb
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Posted: 20 6月 2020, 08:00 #
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"Polish" half-groat in Numista catalog is the same Lithuanian half-groat. The reason is that some older Polish catalogues mistakenly included Lithuanian monetary system into Polish. But Lithuanian and Polish monetary systems were different even to time of rule of Sigismund III Vasa really.
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tpal1961
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Posted: 20 6月 2020, 17:33 #
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Thank you. I appreciate your expertise and explanation regarding the 1563 Lithuanian half groat.
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