Has there ever been a discussion about adding proof set and or mint sets to the catalog? Being they are listed in pricing catalogs and they would be something you would most likely want to keep together when swapping, I'm just curious if there is a reason that segment hasn't been added?
Great Question, maybe somone with more time will chime in, as I like mint/proof sets also.
I see some countries have listings, while others do not. I've seen listings appear for a country and then disappear. Take a look at Australia, which is a work in progress and a daunting task.
Questions?
Official / Unoffcial?
Tourist packs/Souvenir sets?
Do you as a user of Numista just list the set, or each individual coin, or both?
Photo of set: ie, Red wallet / Blue wallet. Red presentation / Blue presentation?
There was a huge debate over this issue over a year ago, that ended in the removal of what coin sets we did have in the catalogue and a lot of outrage. My own opinion about sets is that they should be included, but in a separate form; so when you add 1 set to your collection, it also ticks off all the components of the set in the individual coins' pages and adds them to your collection.
I agree 100% with the proponents of adding sets that it would be convenient for swapping and adding coins to your collection, but attempting to represent a coin set with a page designed to house a single coin does not look good at all- best to have a separate format for sets like I said above.
And also only official mint sets should be included; otherwise anyone could throw together a set and we'd never finish adding them all.
Hi im new here, and came across this problem almost immediately.
I Have 2x 1974 commemoratives from New Zealand, One is in a mint issued single slab and made of nickel, the other is in a proof mint set and is 92.5% silver.The silver version is not even listed here as a single coin, so there is no way for me to catalogue it. I would be happy to list my coins separately in the proof set if this is an option?
引用する: "cellmend"Hi im new here, and came across this problem almost immediately.
I Have 2x 1974 commemoratives from New Zealand, One is in a mint issued single slab and made of nickel, the other is in a proof mint set and is 92.5% silver.The silver version is not even listed here as a single coin, so there is no way for me to catalogue it. I would be happy to list my coins separately in the proof set if this is an option?
Sets are not to be listed on Numista as such, if your variant is not listed yet you may simply submit a modification request to the page with addition of a line with comment "Proof".
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引用する: "cellmend"Hi im new here, and came across this problem almost immediately.
I Have 2x 1974 commemoratives from New Zealand, One is in a mint issued single slab and made of nickel, the other is in a proof mint set and is 92.5% silver.The silver version is not even listed here as a single coin, so there is no way for me to catalogue it. I would be happy to list my coins separately in the proof set if this is an option?
Why don't you take a photo of your proof silver coin and add it to the catalogue? It might seem daunting at first but once you have done one you will find it quite easy? You can use the information from the copper-nickel version to help you fill in the information.
The coin you are talking about must be a silver version of one of these two I would think ....
Hi all
I am new here( so new I'm just starting adding coins to my collection) and have already stumbled at the proof coin set hurdle. Surely it can't be that hard to add Proof coin sets to the site? I have quite few early British proof sets and would never dream of breaking them down into components. One of the things I look for when purchasing these items is the condition of the presentation box which does add and detract from the sets value. While each coin is beautiful in it's own right, there is just something about seeing them in a set with a nice presentation case. They are also reasonably valuable, for example, I am chasing a 1937 15 coin set which includes a Maundy set. This set ranges from £150 to £300+ in price online. Surely that's worth a page on it's own so that the case can be included? I also have other sets of silver proofs, inc singles and other sealed sets such as the latest 2019 Fifty Years of the 50p Coin, purchased at £110 and now selling for £250 +. Please consider it otherwise a large part of my collection will be missing from here.
引用する: "deckhanddave"Hi all
I am new here( so new I'm just starting adding coins to my collection) and have already stumbled at the proof coin set hurdle. Surely it can't be that hard to add Proof coin sets to the site? I have quite few early British proof sets and would never dream of breaking them down into components. One of the things I look for when purchasing these items is the condition of the presentation box which does add and detract from the sets value. While each coin is beautiful in it's own right, there is just something about seeing them in a set with a nice presentation case. They are also reasonably valuable, for example, I am chasing a 1937 15 coin set which includes a Maundy set. This set ranges from £150 to £300+ in price online. Surely that's worth a page on it's own so that the case can be included? I also have other sets of silver proofs, inc singles and other sealed sets such as the latest 2019 Fifty Years of the 50p Coin, purchased at £110 and now selling for £250 +. Please consider it otherwise a large part of my collection will be missing from here.
Hi deckhanddave - Welcome to the site, you will enjoy being here I am sure. It is very informative and friendly. Also being continually improved.
Why don't you do what I do, I also have a lot of proof sets and I also do not want to physically break them up. But I break them up on the Numista database for cataloguing purposes.
For example I have got the latest 2019 Australian 6 coin proof set which has 5, 10, 20, 50 cent and $1 & $2 coins in it. I list each coin separately on the relevant coin page and year and coin type (Proof) .
I also make a comment against the coin entry that says "In 2019 Proof Set"
Then if you do a download of your collection into excel you will get that information and you can sort it how you like.
Maybe not perfect for what you want but it is getting there I think. The admin on here have some good reasons for not wanting to put Full Sets into the Numista Database.
Cheers Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
I understand that there are good reasons for not adding proof sets to the site but collecting genuine officially issued sets is a part of collecting. Sure splitting them down into individual coins and making notes is a way of doing it but I just feel it is a 'messy' way to catalogue a proof set. Also, I haven't checked it yet but I'm wondering if the value comes out the same and how do I record what I paid for each individual coin? Then, there are some coins only available in proof sets. Bought outside the set, they are often worth less than in the set. Would it really be so hard to just add for example, 1953 British Proof set, 5/- to farthing, original case, pp£70 , V/good cond. It exists, people do collect them and people might want to swap them. Maybe it's just me and I'll change my opinion when I get around to adding my proof sets but for now, they are last on the list to add.
It's definitely not just you, there are many like you (myself included) that want to see mint and proof sets added to the catalogue. However, we have been advised by the site admin and catalogue team that sets are not being considered at this time. In my opinion, this is a big mistake and I hope that they reconsider in the near future but as things stand at the moment, we are left having to use 'workarounds' such as suggested by Mike.
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Maybe we could start a petition? I guess if there is enough people asking for it, they would probably resolve it. I'm now wondering how many people on here would like to see it? Sheesh, I've been a member 5 seconds and already I'm a subversive! Think I'll change my name from deckhanddave to Che Guevara. I love this site and it has given me superb research & reference on coins I knew nothing about. So much, I now pretty much collect anything and everything I find of interest from anywhere. Before I buy though, the first thing I do is check for the coin on here. I just wish I'd joined sooner but I was a bit wary. ANyway, a big thanks to everyone on here for their contributions. Unbeknown to them, they have been helping me for the last couple of years or so and probably hundreds more like me, if not thousands.
Not that I'm aware of but I have been AWOL for a while. I'm still trying to find the time to get back on here and play with my coins but the world has been demanding my time.
They expanded into banknotes with a new form. Why not official sets, at least? Most have a catalogue number and a lot of the data is already here. This is volunteer based. If people want to do the work and referees are willing to check it, why not? Seems silly to say no when it is mostly other people doing the work.
Now to do a work around to add a few sets, so I can have them included if I need this for reference and am out somewhere.
As far as Australia is concerned if Numista did decide to include individual sets I could easily put them all on in a matter of a few hours. (Hmm after looking at what I said next maybe a bit longer than that lol.)
For Australia it would only include official sets such as the Year UNC Set, Year Proof Set, Baby Sets, Wedding Sets, Fine Silver Sets, Masterpiece in Silver Sets, WMF Sets, Legends Sets, etc etc etc.
We would still need to keep the individual coins listed as they are now on individual coin pages for the people that have got coins from a broken up set.
Links from the sets back to the individual coin pages of the coins in the set should be included of course.
It could be done, I would be willing to work on it for Australia Coin sets of course. It is up to the Numista Administration to decide on it though.
Cheers Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
While I'm new to Numista, I'm an avid collector of (proof) coin sets with literally hundreds of official coin sets in my possession.
Therefore, I also strongly encourage the addition of a coin sets category.
After all, officially distributed coin sets are much more related to the core idea of numismatics than some of the very obscure subcategories of exonumia (brothel tokens, fantasy items of fictional places, play money to name just a few).
It's also a reasonable expectation that coin sets are not torn apart by the vast majority of collectors, so splitting them up into individual coin listings is counter-intuitive.
My two cents here is that there shouldnt be unique listings for proofs or mint sets but they should atleast be contained in the listings for the normal coins (unless they are only made as proofs or are an unique issue by that i mean of they only exists in proof form rather then as anything else)
I use a massive Excel database I created with various code to get exactly what I wanted, but have to continually update values myself manually. I was looking at using Numista as it's a fantastic site which I continually visit to do research, values, etc. Unfortunately for me this is a show stopper as I have hundreds of proof/mint sets from all over the world. I'd gladly pay a subscription cost to have this and other items included.
The only real objection to having coin sets in the database, would be the failing measures of the coins in the set… nobody would breach the set to measure the “real” diameter, weight, thickness of each coin. If you enter them as “part” of a proof set, you would use the dimensions given on the set description?
Then, if the set really is marked as a set, the dimensions would not be needed either, would it?
I don't think the coins should be entered individually or as part of a set but rather the full set recognized as a unit itself. If someone breaches the unit to extract coins then it's no longer a set and considered individual coins. If I order a 2023 US Mint Proof Set it wouldn't be itemized with each coin but rather a single unit “PROOF SET” that indicates the coins encased, but not part of individual units to be sold or exchanged.
If we do end up having pages for Sets I would like to see them listed as a Set. Example would be 2022 Australian Proof Set.
It contains 6 coins of various denominations from 5 cents to 2 Dollars. Within the Set listing page you could include links to the individual coin pages. On them you can see the dimensions, composition etc.
There are lots of different types of Sets that could be included, Proof, Mint, Baby, Wedding etc.
However if it never happens I will not lose any sleep over it or complain about it.
Cheers Mike
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Well here we are 2 years later and we now have sets on Numista. At the moment almost 3000 of them. At the time of writing this we are up to Set No 2976…. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/set.php?id=2976
I think they are a fantastic addition to Numista and lots of other members on here agree with me I'm sure.
But ….. We still don't have a way to search for them except for looking at the coin page of a coin that you know is part of a set and checking if it has a link to the Set Page on it.
We also don't have any guidelines as to what should go on a Set Page. I have seen some that are very sparse and some that show interesting useful information.
So I am wondering when we will see those improvements for searching Sets and the Guidelines to help know what should be included?
Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
Well here we are 2 years later and we now have sets on Numista. At the moment almost 3000 of them. At the time of writing this we are up to Set No 2976…. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/set.php?id=2976
I think they are a fantastic addition to Numista and lots of other members on here agree with me I'm sure.
But ….. We still don't have a way to search for them except for looking at the coin page of a coin that you know is part of a set and checking if it has a link to the Set Page on it.
We also don't have any guidelines as to what should go on a Set Page. I have seen some that are very sparse and some that show interesting useful information.
So I am wondering when we will see those improvements for searching Sets and the Guidelines to help know what should be included?
Mike
I haven't approved any sets yet until I get guidelines, as I don't want to duplicate my workload.
I don't mean on the catalog page but on the request itself so another ref or admin can see it.
I had a bunch of set requests validated that I had put on ice and informed the member that I want to wait until we finally have concrete guidelines.
I'm not sure what you mean? I create a NS# Set Page say for a Australian Coin Set. I am pretty sure it is done properly with all the information required. I am the Referee for Australia so when I submit it it is validated as soon as I submit it. I don't need another Ref or Admin to do anything. When we finally do get concrete guidelines if any adjustments are required I will take care of them then.
I have done some Exonumia Sets that had to be validated by another Referee because they were not under my area. They were validated no problem at all.
Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
My initial post was for peterjhalford which he responded to. I hate the overuse of the quoting feature, unnecessarily blowing up threads endlessly and I see no point when I respond to the previous post directly so I use it sparingly.
My own opinion about sets is that they should be included, but in a separate form; so when you add 1 set to your collection, it also ticks off all the components of the set in the individual coins' pages and adds them to your collection.
I love this site and it has given me superb research & reference on coins I knew nothing about. So much, I now pretty much collect anything and everything I find of interest from anywhere. Before I buy though, the first thing I do is check for the coin on here. I just wish I'd joined sooner but I was a bit wary. ANyway, a big thanks to everyone on here for their contributions. Unbeknown to them, they have been helping me for the last couple of years or so and probably hundreds more like me, if not thousands. 
