How about adding edge varieties as drop down list (or RadioButton)?

Hi
Upon stumbling on this thread, and seeing this picture, I am starting to ask myself, why the heck is the field "Description with keywords" in section "Edge", still not available only as option selecting field. OK, one option can be added as "Other" with additional field for manual artistic lettering input (popping up only when other is selected).
Further more, all those threads where people ask the difference between milled and reeded and plain and smooth would be redundant .
Best regards

I agree, but we would still have to decide which to use as the default, e.g. the Numista plebiscite on whether to use the word smooth/plain was very close.

This feature will be very helpfull to correct inconsistency between French and english.
Sometimes we have an info like Smooth or reeded in english or in french and nothing on the other side, that's a shame because we have the info but as it's not a drop down list like metal, the info is only availlable in 1 language.

If we look at what have been done with metals I guess the work on this topic should be easier.

A clear guideline with drawing (as already provided by Sjoelund) can be convert into a Numisdoc and if we attache a hyperlink to the numis doc (the same way we do with Engravers presentation) then it will solve a lot of confusion. And as metal, new thread can be open to request the addition of a new type where people can discuss about it based on pictures by example.

I am ready to support if needed :-)

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​There is a new Numisdoc for this:
https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/coin-edges-321.html

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​​There is a new Numisdoc for this:
​https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/coin-edges-321.html

​Wonderfull :-)
As we have now defined the list of edges we can implement this feature

Any news about it?

And these two (US coins, found at least on half cents)

Gripped edge

Vine and bars

引用する: "CassTaylor"​I agree, but we would still have to decide which to use as the default, e.g. the Numista plebiscite on whether to use the word smooth/plain was very close.

​Hi

No need for a plebiscite. One option could be "smooth/plain", capturing both words at the same time.

LP

Plain, was the desicion, if I remember right. I might be wrong, though.

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​​There is a new Numisdoc for this:
​https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/coin-edges-321.html

​Very nice (embossed or relief?)

-Incuse: a negative image, an element that is sunken in. Opposite of relief. -Relief: An image or design that is raised on the coin.

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Would like to see that implemented in 2023.

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Hello, can I ask without wanting to bother anyone, how can it be that this improvement is not already implemented?

 

It is obvious that it is a clear improvement for Numista and that it would prevent each user/referee from using different words for the same concept. In addition, it facilitates the choice of the type of song by users.

 

Is it that administrators do not like the concept? Is it difficult to implement technically speaking? In short, what is the problem why, more than 4 years after this proposal was made, it has not yet been implemented?

 

I repeat, it is simple curiosity and at no time do I intend for anyone to feel upset.

oynbcn

Hello, can I ask without wanting to bother anyone, how can it be that this improvement is not already implemented?

 

It is obvious that it is a clear improvement for Numista and that it would prevent each user/referee from using different words for the same concept. In addition, it facilitates the choice of the type of song by users.

 

Is it that administrators do not like the concept? Is it difficult to implement technically speaking? In short, what is the problem why, more than 4 years after this proposal was made, it has not yet been implemented?

 

I repeat, it is simple curiosity and at no time do I intend for anyone to feel upset.

I guess it's because of the existing mess we have in this field …  To drill down that to only few options will request a huge amount of work …

Look at this one by example.

 

Hello,

This improvement is on my todo list for 2023. The only reason it is not implemented yet is that converting the existing field for each coin will be time consuming.

Of course the Robot cannot do it. Except for milled to reeded and smooth to plain and maybe a few others.

 

Cant it become a project like the cropping became once upon a time?

I just had a look at Afghanistan, where the first coin 

 

N#228824

 

where there is no edge description, when no edge description is indicated for the coin, I think it'll be correct just to insert “Plain”, which is the default value,  I guess for most coins, since it's the easiest way to strike a coin.

 

This could definitely be done by Robot and maybe let Robot leave its footprint in script(s) “Robot was here”? 

A good exemple of the current problem.

+1

 

 

SjoelundAnd these two (US coins, found at least on half cents)

Gripped edge

Vine and bars

Gripped edge can be

• an option “Other” and write in a textbox, or
• a new option added to https://en.numista.com/catalogue/edges.php

 

Vine and bars can be

• an option “Other” and write in a textbox, or
• add two new edges “Segmented reeding with embossed pattern”/“Segmented reeding with incuse pattern”  and write the design, “Vine”, in a textbox.
  In other word, mix these types
  Embossed pattern
  Incuse pattern
  Segmented reeding

 

 

mikimaus

Quote: "CassTaylor"​I agree, but we would still have to decide which to use as the default, e.g. the Numista plebiscite on whether to use the word smooth/plain was very close. 

​No need for a plebiscite. One option could be "smooth/plain", capturing both words at the same time.

I agree. If language is English (en) both words can be written. Later, if “en” splits into en-GB/US (like es-ES/Latin now), this option (the words displayed) will be fixed (only one data will be saved in the database, regardless of language).

 

 

Sjoelund

I just had a look at Afghanistan, where the first coin 

 

N#228824

 

where there is no edge description, when no edge description is indicated for the coin, I think it'll be correct just to insert “Plain”, which is the default value,  I guess for most coins, since it's the easiest way to strike a coin.

 

This could definitely be done by Robot and maybe let Robot leave its footprint in script(s) “Robot was here”? 

It can be for ancient coins/exonumia. In more actual items… can have an especial edge but with not data.

 

 

Indomini16

A good exemple of the current problem.

and perhaps “Unabridged legend” = sterling silver (composition) / the medal number (2000 minted)

 

Indomini16

I guess it's because of the existing mess we have in this field …  To drill down that to only few options will request a huge amount of work …

Look at this one by example.

 

Xavier

Hello,

This improvement is on my todo list for 2023. The only reason it is not implemented yet is that converting the existing field for each coin will be time consuming.

The idea is added a select box button with options https://en.numista.com/catalogue/edges.php (and perhaps add more to this page) and add another option “Other” and display a text box., in order to write special designs. Correct?

 

You may have already thought of this...

 

At beginning the current edges (written in “Description with keywords”, a textarea, multi line text box) can be converted in an only line field with all lines and languages used now. For example:

• N#346981 has data in English (Reeded) and in French (Striée). Can be mixed in only one line:
  
  (en) Reeded / (fr) Striée
   
• I do not find a multi line text in this field but if there a coin/exonumia with “Edge > Description with keywords” =
  
  This a multi line
  description of
  the edge of
  a coin
  
  can be convert new lines to spaces, and get an only one line:
  
  (en) This a multi line description of the edge of a coin

 

These text of one line can be the option “Other”.

 

Along the time, users, referees and robot can help to convert many of these options “Other” to other some option of the list. For example,

 

(en) Reeded / (fr) Striée → REEDED = (en) Reeded / (fr) Striée / (es) Estriado

 

Also, can be created a page with all “other edges” for search matches with the edges of the list. This page can be show by all members, only by referees… If all members can be see this page, can create in forum Numista coin catalogue a new type of request (“Request about edges”) for convert an “other" edge in an option.

 

Some options can need another text field for write more data: description of pattern, design stamped…

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Xavier

This improvement is on my todo list for 2023.

Santa is comming, hope he will bring our christmas gift🎅 we keep our fingers crossed 🤞

I deviated a lot from 2023 plan. We ended up having dropdown lists for denominations and issuing entities, which was not planned, but edges is not started yet and it won't be done this year. Another candidate for dropdown lists (and enhanced associated data) would be the series.

Edges are quite easy to translate automatically (at least the basic cases) and search by edge type is not critical, that's why it was de-prioritized.

BUMP so that this can be added to the website: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic44579.html

 

Thanks

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