what is behind an elefant? Mintmark? BCongo 2 Fr. 1943 [解決]

Hello, dear friends
What is on the right of the elefant?
is it kind an old style of Franclin Mint mintmark? or waht?
thanks in advance
David

I have no idea, but just wanted to say this coin is very nice Dato!

No, the Franklin Mint mint mark is somewhat of a stylized "F".

Aaron

引用する: "Dato Mikeladze"​
​ is it kind an old style of Franclin Mint mintmark? or waht?

​Krause mentions in the Belgian Congo introduction that the mint marks are (H) Heaton, Burmigham - smaller, thicker "C" in denomination...

Non of the coins specify which mint in the catalog... I hope this narrows your search.

Apparently it's a mint mark as the coin was minted in Philadelphia https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinView.aspx?sc=20877 and according to the Liberty Coin Service it has no mint mark https://libertycoinservice.com/wp-content/uploads/learning-center/collectors-checklist-foreign-coins-by-us-mint-type.pdf

thank you, dears,
but if this is a mintmark, - do we have any other coin with same mark?
for example, this 2 Fr. Belgium ,1944was struck in Philadelphia as well, but there is no such mintmark
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3103.html

So. maybe its engraver`s initials? But I couldnot find BC 21 fr. engraver`s name as well.  :(

"JustforFun" , but in Numista sheet for 2 Francs we have such explanation : " Coin struck at the Franclin Mint with mistake - Belgish instead of Belgisch, and was rapidly removed from circulation..."

引用する: "auscoin"​Apparently it's a mint mark as the coin was minted in Philadelphia https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinView.aspx?sc=20877 and according to the Liberty Coin Service it has no mint mark https://libertycoinservice.com/wp-content/uploads/learning-center/collectors-checklist-foreign-coins-by-us-mint-type.pdf

​Sorry! Should have read 'Apparently it's not a mint mark ...'

引用する: "Dato Mikeladze"​"JustforFun" , but in Numista sheet for 2 Francs we have such explanation : " Coin struck at the Franclin Mint with mistake - Belgish instead of Belgisch, and was rapidly removed from circulation..."
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​Interesting that this coin mention that the newer version was mint in Pretoria but the coin sheet of the round coin does not...

引用する: "auscoin"​

引用する: "auscoin"​Apparently it's a mint mark as the coin was minted in Philadelphia https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinView.aspx?sc=20877 and according to the Liberty Coin Service it has no mint mark https://libertycoinservice.com/wp-content/uploads/learning-center/collectors-checklist-foreign-coins-by-us-mint-type.pdf

​​Sorry! Should have read 'Apparently it's not a mint mark ...'

​haah, then okay.
But what is it... :(

Maybe Coatesville?

If you zoom right in to the mintmark, you can just about make out the image of a man with a shovel ...

引用する: "radrick007"​If you zoom right in to the mintmark, you can just about make out the image of a man with a shovel ...

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It doesnot looks like man with shovel...

??

After some further research I'm led to believe that the mark is that of the engraver/designer's symbol, Bonnetain. https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/belgian-congo/belgian-colony-1936-1949-leopold-iii/2-francs-1943-1022

Armand Bonnetain was a Belgian sculptor , medalist-engraver born in Brussels in 1883 and died in that city in 1973'. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Bonnetain In this link you can see one of his works circa 1960, a Portrait of Henri Lavachery, bears the same symbol as found on the Belgian Congo coin.

great!!! thank You so much for Your help!!!
yours,
David

引用する: "radrick007"​If you zoom right in to the mintmark, you can just about make out the image of a man with a shovel ...

​lol

引用する: "JustforFun"​I have no idea, but just wanted to say this coin is very nice Dato!
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​Agreed. There's just something about coins with elephants on them. Can't really think of an ugly one.

I've had a couple of those tiny silver Elephant Money coins from Siam pass through my hands recently and I have to say, I felt a distinct twinge of reluctance at letting them go.

引用する: "Dato Mikeladze"​​but if this is a mintmark, - do we have any other coin with same mark? ​

​All the Belgian Congo coins with an elephant have the same mark, so not only the hexagonal 2 Francs, but also the round 50 Francs, 5 Francs, 2 Francs and 1 Franc:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6314.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2963.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8017.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8015.html

As you can see in the picture below, these four coins were all struck at South African Mint in Pretoria, so the mark couldn't be a mint mark from the Philadelphia Mint where the hexagonal 2 Francs were struck.
As you also can see on that picture, there is a mistake on the coin sheet of the hexagonal 2 Francs. This coin was not struck at the Franklin Mint, but at the United States of America Mint in Philadelphia (change requests made to add/correct the Mints).

Thank You very much, I have changed Franclin to Philadelphia in the listing.
yours
D

Here are all the engraveurs of Belgian Congo (1908-1950) = without Ruanda-Urundi

From the 'Catalogus van Belgische Numismatische Uitgiften 1831-2017".


gr,
Aernout

引用する: "Aernout86"​Here are all the engraveurs of Belgian Congo (1908-1950) = without Ruanda-Urundi
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​From the 'Catalogus van Belgische Numismatische Uitgiften 1831-2017".
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​gr,
​Aernout

​oh, thank You very much, my dear friend !
yours
D