German States Groschen Albert of Brandenburg - Grading

Hi,

I need your help to identify this coin exactly:


Metal: Billon/Silver
Weight: ~ 1.87 g.
Diameter: ~ 23 mm

It looks like the 1 Groschen - Albrecht of Brandenburg MB# 3. The legends are the same on both sides, the eagle on revers side is also the same. But the bust on observe side is different.

I found this coin on NGC, here the link. There is written that varieties exist.
But also that the "image is not of exact coin"


So I'm a little bit lost.
Is my coin a variety of the KM# 3, or is it a complete different type ?

Many thanks for your help
Sam

KM catalogue is quite poor at listing varieties of older coins.
it should be MB#3
its not uncommon that krause gives a single Catalogue number whereas a German catalogue might give that same coin 20 different numbers with small variety changes.
MB# coins have not had catalogue entry changes in a long time so these will be usually the most incomplete of Krause filed coins

thank you for the explanations.
Indeed, during my research on the internet I found many coins of this type, and almost all have small differences, very interesting !

What would be the grade of that coin in your opinion ?
Not easy to grade older coins

Regular VF in my opinion

Hello,
Schulten (Deutsche Münzen der Zeit Karl V) gives 2 types for this coin, shorter beard for 1529 to 1540 #2810, longer for 1541 to 1558 #2811. No other details about small variations.

Btw, rotations not exactly coin or medal alignment were normal at that time, not necesarily errors. I would say they were often "variable" alignment.

The year 1529 is missing on our sheet.

Regards, André

Thank you !!!

This is probably the short beard an here the longer one
The beard of my coin is again different, it's cut

Hi Sam,
It seems this guy had fun playing with his beard There are hence at least three types.

Maybe what you can do is use your pics to document the sheet in the comment field a bit like this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43922.html
Then someone will come with extra info and maybe create new sheets but the info will be there !

It is great to document the variants for those old coins.

Regards,

André

Hi André,

good idea !!!
I'll try to find some images from sites that have agreed to use their photos.

But I'll do it in French, as you can see my English is not very good. Maybe somebody can translate later.

Pas de problème, je traduis, préviens moi

It's done, waiting for verifications.

I guess that kind of coins have often rotations errors ?
I have one that has a 90 ° rotation error, is that a surplus value ?
Probably not

Apuking is really very fast.
He already made the verifications and the different types are online.

Si vous avez envie de traduire André, je vous en remercie vivement !

Done / Fait,

Au plaisr,
André