Your oldest non demonetised coin?

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As an interesting expansion of that old "Your oldest coin" post which several of our more perceptive members rightly predicted became a "Roman coin" event.

What is the oldest coin you own that is;

A} From a country that still exists
and
B} Can still be spent

This one is going to take a little thought........
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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Some people will have some Swiss 10 or 20 Rappen from the 19th century
Your Matron head cent might be a good candidate, even though I doubt that your butcher has a good evaluation of the actual value of this penny :D
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Phil any coin from the US is still legal But gold coins are not.  I was going to say my Switzerland 20 C. from 1887 B. But went out in 2004. I will have to think
Other than a US 1909 Penny
It is, what it is, or is it.
Usa 1 cent 1900
The problem here is how do you define country and are ruling system changes a new country e.g. a kingdom becomes a republic etc.

USA - 1 Dollar 1885O
A 1909 Lincoln cent. (update: actually my oldest still monetized coin is a 1907 Indian head penny).
 Well at first I thought it could be either of these ...


with either Switzerland or U.S.A. being most likely to have the oldest non-demonetised coins still in circulation, but their pages on here say otherwise. So will have to look again.  :)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces176.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces982.html

 This page does not say demonetised, so my oldest is 1868

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4411.html

 So, is that correct - in the U.S.A. you could go into a shop and spend that 1868 coin and it would be accepted ?! Nice.  :D
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
引用する: ZacUKWell at first I thought it could be either of these ...


with either Switzerland or U.S.A. being most likely to have the oldest non-demonetised coins still in circulation, but their pages on here say otherwise. So will have to look again.  :)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces176.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces982.html

 This page does not say demonetised, so my oldest is 1868

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4411.html

 So, is that correct - in the U.S.A. you could go into a shop and spend that 1868 coin and it would be accepted ?! Nice.  :D
You can also spend a 1793 coin!! If you find a dime, quarter or half dollar from any year, it is still circulating currency. However the chances of finding a coin like that in circulation,  are probably 1/1000000000000000000000 (if not less)
 Thanks - how great is that?!  :8D
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
My oldest  non demonetized coin is
India 1 rupee 1950.
DANGER: Obligatory boring Swiss coin ahead! You have been warned!!


But wait... I remember hearing somewhere that all pre-decimal British coins are still convertible and legal tender?

If that's true, then here is my poor abused 1745 shilling. "Adversity builds character" 8)
 WE are getting off topic. Sorry Phil Hear a different way to look at this. The oldest US coin i have gotten in Change is a nickel from 1908. I got it 2 or 3 months after my wife died.So thats about 5 years ago. I keep it on my 1 hour hourglass.

 Before that i think it was a1912 penny. I KNOW ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO I WENT TO DOC'S.aND IN THE PARTING LOT I PICK UP A PENNY FROM THE 1920'S Sorry must have hit caps lock.
    Now here is and odd thing the oldest Canadain coin i gotten in change (bank roll) was a 1937 penny.I think.  I can get something older from Canada here. Than someone in Canada.Last week the lady who run the gas station Gave me 5or6 canadain pennys a nickel and a dime. A nice 1967 penny a a 1950 nickel

  I think it is very strage that iam still getting KGVI coins. In the US from another country. In change. With all the people i know who just gave me they Canada coins Guys at work know i will buy them a soda for them. I have been getting 3 to 5 KGVI coins ayear.
     yours daryl
edit So far this year have gotten 2 KGVI coins from Canada The 1950 nickel and a 1951 penny.
 
It is, what it is, or is it.
Thinking about this I think i know how all these Canadain coins came here. My grandpa went to Canada in the 1960's for fishing. And from that trip he gave me a 1949 canadain fifty cent coin. And one of the guys at work, before he quite working gave me a canadain dollar from the 1970's and 2  two dollar notes from the 1980's from fishing and hunting trips. And my wife got a 1954 Canadain two dollar bill as part of a tip. They know iam a collecting nut.Thinking about it i have never payed for a Canadain bank note. And have 5or6 1 dollars, 2or3 2 dollar bill Oldest 1954. Two fives ,one ten. A one tweanty dollar note. They were all gaven to me, as gifts or what ever. You know Canada been very good to me.
  And one thing i have found is, From the 1940's to the 1970's people here used Canadain coins as chips for playing cards. That may be why there are so many here.
           yours daryl
edit I got a pint jar of Canadain coin about 2or 3 years back at a house sale. For ten dollars And  1/4 of them were silver.
It is, what it is, or is it.
引用する: ZacUKhttps://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces982.html

 This page does not say demonetised, so my oldest is 1868

 So, is that correct - in the U.S.A. you could go into a shop and spend that 1868 coin and it would be accepted ?! Nice.  :D
 I am pretty sure that this is not demonetised, as I understand all US Currency is legal tender.

  I have a 1879 Morgan in poor condition, but I also have a 2 cent shield penny (its the oldest) but its so poor that the date is worn off. I hate it when a coins date is worn off, its like its not a real coin anymore, its lost something important that defines it.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
Here is an odd 2 cent coin my grandpa gave me. And told me to keep

 It's very nice in front.And nothing on the back. Alway wounder if its an error or a die test. Or what. The weight is good ,Dia good. Of all my coins i should send in to find out what it is
It is, what it is, or is it.
引用する: ALLRED1950Here is an odd 2 cent coin my grandpa gave me. And told me to keep

 It's very nice in front.And nothing on the back. Alway wounder if its an error or a die test. Or what. The weight is good ,Dia good. Of all my coins i should send in to find out what it is

my oldest coin  from pakistan( 1953) is also  in the same condition.  i thought  it was an indian coin after i joined numista .i came to know it was pakistan.
My oldest US cent is a 1816 "Coronet - Matron" type.  Legal tender?  Since it's a large cent any circulation is hypothetical. Moreover it's holed, what made it affordable...

US 2 Cents have not been minted since the 1870's:  Legal tender? Hypothetical. My one is holed alike...

Any Indian head cent (got only 1) might still sit at the bottom of some cash drawer for decades...

Wheaties still turn up every now and then, though coin roll hunters must have sifted out nearly all of them (bought a couple of those)

Bought two rather worn war time (1942-43) silver-manganese nickels lately. Still legal tender, but disappeared from circulation...

I checked out on my 1913 Swiss 20 rappen: these pure nickel coins were demonetized in 2004, but my 1921 copper nickel 10 rappen is still legal tender. Since the type never changed since 1879, you may still find very old 10 rappen coins in circulation.
Gwyde
It's a tie between these:




引用する: GwydeWheaties still turn up every now and then, though coin roll hunters must have sifted out nearly all of them (bought a couple of those)
 I am not sure if I should say sadly or thankfully but when some ignorant fools grandad dies they often spend his old coin instead of sell them,  therefore many old coins get back into circulation. Problem is gas station clerks get all the good stuff.  But I have been told about people finding barber dimes and Indian head cents in regular change.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
The oldest coins that are still valid today (in Europe only?)is the 1879 10 rappen. To date, they have the same design and the same alloy. I Have never heard of UK pre decimal coins that can still be spent. You may be able to convert the later ones like commemorative £5 but that is exchanging and not spending.  :°



any gold coin can be spent anywhere if the seller knows it is a solid gold coin. I know I would accept one.  :O
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引用する: FlukeThe oldest coins that are still valid today (in Europe only?)is the 1879 10 rappen. To date, they have the same design and the same alloy.
 I guess this coin is the winner!
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
引用する: FlukeThe oldest coins that are still valid today (in Europe only?)is the 1879 10 rappen. To date, they have the same design and the same alloy. (...)
What's peculiar about the 10 Rappen is that during the 1930's the Swiss mint briefly minted the 10 Rappen in pure nickel (as the 20 Rappen).
See https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces175.html  Decades ago I found a 1934 pure nickel 10 Rappen coin in my change. These pure nickel 10 Rappen coins have been demonetized in 2004 together with the elder 20 Rappen.
Gwyde
引用する: nalaberongBut wait... I remember hearing somewhere that all pre-decimal British coins are still convertible and legal tender?
If that's true then mine is this one

I'm still thinking about mine. I'm going along the lines of Switzerland and the US like many of you.

I remember D-day (decimalization day, not the other one, shit I'm not THAT old) when the Bank of England / Exchequer passed the bill demonetizing (you could still spend florins/two shillings but they were considered ten new pence) the old denominations they forgot to include the short lived Double Florins.  Starting in 1887 they wouldn't qualify as the oldest but I'm sure there are other examples of such oversights.

Told you it would need some consideration.....
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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What about Sweden?
The Riksbank says all 1-krona coins since 1875 are still legal tender
http://www.riksbank.se/en/Notes--coins/Coins/Valid-coins/1-krona-coin/
引用する: "androl"​What about Sweden?
​The Riksbank says all 1-krona coins since 1875 are still legal tender
http://www.riksbank.se/en/Notes--coins/Coins/Valid-coins/1-krona-coin/

haha, they really hope for the fool of the century to spend a precious silver coin like that!
If it's true that all US coins are still legal tender, then it's this 1848 1 Cent:


If it's true that all pre-decimal UK coins are still legal tender, then it's this 1747 ½ Penny:


If none of the above is true, then it's this Swedish 1876 2 kronor:
引用する: "ngdawa"


​This coin is like coming from a horror film XD just look to the King's obverse
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Zac,

Actually, that braided hair cent IS still legal tender! (8 Any US coin (not sure about most gold) that is legal to own (no 1933 double eagle) EXCEPT the trade dollar can be spent as legal tender!
引用する: "chomp-master"
引用する: "ngdawa"
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​​This coin is like coming from a horror film XD just look to the King's obverse
​Haha! Then you should see my Greek coins of Paulos I, on some of them he looks like Voldemort! :P
引用する: "ZuluRaptorSpace"​Zac,

​Actually, that braided hair cent IS still legal tender! (8 Any US coin (not sure about most gold) that is legal to own (no 1933 double eagle) EXCEPT the trade dollar can be spent as legal tender!
​What do you mean? Are some coins illegal to own?? B.
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引用する: "chomp-master"

引用する: "ngdawa"
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​​​This coin is like coming from a horror film XD just look to the King's obverse
​​Haha! Then you should see my Greek coins of Paulos I, on some of them he looks like Voldemort! :P
​Need to watch it! XD
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引用する: "ngdawa"
引用する: "ZuluRaptorSpace"​Zac,
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​​Actually, that braided hair cent IS still legal tender! (8 Any US coin (not sure about most gold) that is legal to own (no 1933 double eagle) EXCEPT the trade dollar can be spent as legal tender!
​​What do you mean? Are some coins illegal to own?? B.
​Technically, yes.

There is a very rare nickel which was produced by mint employees quite illegally. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, either sell it on the sly or keep very quiet about it.

At various times in the past the Washington regime has declared the private ownership of gold, including coin, to be illegal. Think about that for a moment.... your wedding ring can be confiscated right off your finger by the Feds.

The last time "our" government managed to overspend us into a depression they demanded that owners of gold coins surrender them for face value. They then promptly melted them down in what is probably the most barbarous act ever committed against numismatists. Fortunately for us, most people simply hid their gold coins from the government thieves until Richard Nixon overturned this tyrannical law.

Now the criminals are trying to apply the law retroactively to the owner of some very highly prized specimens of which only a handful survive. I'm not sure what the current state of play is with regard to the court case but it's very likely that the Feds will steal these coins from the heirs of an old coin dealer who opted not to surrender them 80+ years ago and they will be melted down to pay for Moochelle's latest vacation.

They are not content with stealing the coins that they issued to us in the past, they are also targeting anyone who is sick of the worthless fiat currency. There have been many attempts by fed up citizens to produce alternative currencies made from real silver and gold for use within their own communities. Naturally these were hugely popular, I mean who wants a dollar bill backed by nothing more than the government saying they are worth a dollar, when you can have a NORFED Liberty Dollar made from real silver?

Bernard von Nothaus, the issuer of the liberty currency is facing up to 16 years in prison despite having a written ruling from the Treasury legal department that his currency was legal. The charge..... "making, possessing and selling his own coins" Be careful about buying your kids some play money for Christmas, you might end up in the next cell to poor Bernard. The "Land of the Free" came to an abrupt end in 2008.

The banksters clearly don't like anyone interfering with their criminal Ponzi scheme and will use the politicians they bribe to suppress any dissent from the peasants.

Here's a word of advice. If you own gold coins or substantial amounts of silver, don't advertise the fact. Don't put them in a bank deposit box and be prepared to hide them where the Feds can't find them at very short notice. The nation's credit card has been maxed out and someone is going to have to pay for all this wonderful hope and change. The government is not your friend.

You have been warned.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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引用する: "pnightingale"​Bernard von Nothaus, the issuer of the liberty currency is facing up to 16 years in prison despite having a written ruling from the Treasury legal department that his currency was legal. The charge..... "making, possessing and selling his own coins" Be careful about buying your kids some play money for Christmas, you might end up in the next cell to poor Bernard. The "Land of the Free" came to an abrupt end in 2008.

引用する: "Wikipedia"On March 18, 2011, after a 90-minute jury deliberation, von NotHaus was found guilty on various counts, including the making of "counterfeit coins" (resembling legal tender coins). Attorney for the Western District of [North Carolina], Anne M. Tompkins, described Bernard von NotHaus and the Liberty dollar as "a unique form of domestic terrorism" that is trying "to undermine the legitimate currency of this country." The Justice Department press release quotes her as saying: “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country".

According to the Associated Press:

Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins.

Wow, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Why would they care about what kind of coin I have? It won't hurt anyone. Ain't there more important thigs for the feds to handle than hunting gold coins in other people's pockets?

But again, I suppose you must live the weird big country in the west to have to worry about that. It would be interesting though to know exactly which, or what kind of, coins we're talking about here. I mean is it a specific coins from a specific year, like 1 dime 1932 in nickel, or is it more general, like all silve/gold coins from 1920-1922. Yeah, you see my point. This made me realy curious, he-he! X-D

Now I don't really have to worry, since I'm not living in the U.S. and I just own one gold coin - from Niue - and why would anyone care about that one? 0:)
I agree with Phil that these are pretty extreme times. Possibly the next thing is seriously negative interest rates with the demonetisation of all old banknotes so that people can't resort to that. As long as all salaries are paid in official currency people still can't totally avoid them. A thriving black market for precious metals and other forms of non-regulated stores of value (cryptocurrencies, etc.) would then be a logical consequence. Just look at how the communists ran their money systems in Eastern Europe.

Phil is right that the government's credit card has been maxed out. This is also true for most European states and Japan, but some of them are huge exporters and can compensate with that.

If the central banks and governments really wish to reduce the debt load they should raise interest rate AND issue more debt to finance wage increases so that the velocity of money goes in 6th gear. The extra debt they can use for infrastructural projects that will employ many.

Obviously the resulting inflation will be detrimental for the retired but the debt to GDP will shrink.
Phil I think you are right, They did it with gold coins and I can see them do it with silver coins. Will have to find a place to move mine.
It is, what it is, or is it.
To answer a few of the questions raised, at least as far as my own bias and prejudices will allow....

Yes, these measures can be applied to any coin made of any metal. Historically it has only applied to gold coins, although the Pitman Act dealt specifically with melting down millions of silver Morgan Dollars. Once the precedent is set then there is really no reason that even non US coins can't be seized.

While I don't think it's likely that the Feds will be sending out SWAT teams to steal your Lincoln Cent collection, I'm far less confident about collections including silver coins. At the time of the last coin grab, silver coins were still being issued so it made no sense to grab them. Now they have a substantial cost way beyond their face value making them highly attractive to the kleptokrats.

They don't even have to steal large numbers, just declaring the possession of precious metals illegal will make it impossible to sell them and effectively kill the value.

The NORFED decision is the most absurd since OJ was acquitted. The government case rested entirely on von Nothaus trying to pass these coins off as official US Treasury issues. The claim is so silly I don't think his legal team even seriously challenged it. The whole point of the liberty dollars was that they were NOT worthless fiat money. Among the "evidence" presented was that they had the words "TRUST IN GOD" on them which sounds really like "IN GOD WE TRUST". They failed to add that they had Congressman Ron Paul on the obverse. So the jury were intimidated into delivering the verdict the regime needed and a perfectly innocent man will likely serve a longer sentence than many rapists.

Why is this important to us collectors? Well many people who don't trust "our" government or it's monopoly money currency are putting their bets on silver coins. These will be used presumably to barter for local goods and services if or when the dollar fails or Weimar style hyperinflation arrives. The NORFED decision sets up the perfect precedent to declare such silver coins illegal and to prohibit their use as an alternative to the worthless Federal Reserve issues.

Interesting fact - The Federal Reserve Bank which takes all decisions regarding interest rates and money supply is not a branch of the US government as is commonly believed. It is a privately owned bank, controlled by a few wealthy dynastic families.

It was created in 1913. At that time there was no income tax in the US , our government was much smaller and was paid for entirely by import tariffs. We had never seen a world war, never had a major depression and our currency was made from gold and silver.

Since then we have been bled dry by two world wars, both sides financed by the same people who own the Federal Reserve Bank, much of the old European aristocracy has been swept away in revolutions funded by these people, we have had two great depressions which allowed the same people to buy up entire economies for cents on the dollar, we are taxed on earnings, taxed on investments and taxed again when we spend the pittance they allow us to keep. We have federal taxes, state taxes, city taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, tobacco taxes, capital gains taxes in short we have a LOT of taxes and unlike high tax European economies we don't even get the universal social security benefits in return, so where's the money going?

This is not a coincidence.

In 1861, President Lincoln (who I am coming to grudgingly admire) fought the War of Northern Aggression with only six full time staff members. In 2015 the completely useless "First Lady" has a staff of 34 servants, each paid salaries of around 300% more than in the real world. This doesn't include the staff hired to care for Bo, the White House dawg who travels in his own airplane. It's just not sustainable.

Nobody can predict the future, my guesses are no better than anyone else's. However you can take a few common sense precautions short of digging an underground bunker.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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"The Federal Reserve Bank which takes all decisions regarding interest rates and money supply is not a branch of the US government as is commonly believed. It is a privately owned bank, controlled by a few wealthy dynastic families."

I don't believe that a few dynastic families own the Federal Reserve. It is owned more by the member banks, which are quite numerous; and it is controlled by some very influential, powerful banks. Most notably by the huge investment back Goldman Sachs. Many former Goldman Sach's employees have gone on to key financial posts in the government and in the Fed. That's how they write legislation and control monetary government policy to their benefit. It is the banks that have the power, but there are about 400 family or individual dynasties that are worth more than 1.5 trillion dollars. That is about what 160 million Americans, the lower 50% of the population, are worth. The government and banks do protect the finances of these rich people.
My oldest not demonetized coin is a "Seated Liberty" Half Dollar from 1858. I think in a very nice condition... :D
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14904.html

Tallarian
The bill Nixon signed to allow for private gold ownership also remonetized the trade dollar. You did not have to turn in your gold jewelry when gold ownership was made illegal. Just no more gold jewelry. Also. Gold with significant numismatic value was exempted.
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This one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces908.html
This one in the pile of Swiss coins



The battered 1850 10 Rappen, but I am sure that anyone taking it would look at it and question its legality.

The 1880s 20 Rappen above may pass without question.

In New Zealand, much later - only a 1990 dated $1 or $2 coin!
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
If Predecimal UK legal - then this

1636

Without anyone paying too much attention right up to 1970



It was minted to a standard that remained in place to 1970 and it was also perfectly round and therefor not strange feeling. If they looked at the date - they may get freak out.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Whose willing to send me these for twice face value?
1936 20 rappen. A bit pathetic, but it’s a high XF or low AU, so I’m happy with it!
引用する: "CoinCollector1243"​Whose willing to send me these for twice face value?
​I can sell them to you for twice their face value. But you will have to pay for the shipping, and I only do personal deliveries. ;)

This thread is already quite old but i wanted to share my 5 cents too (or 10 Rappen in this case :D) on this one.


It's pretty worn out but actually got this beauty as exchange from a big grocery store here in switzerland lately. Couldn't believe it.

 

 

Also can anyone tell me why i cant click on my own picture to have a closer look on it? Seems to work on all other pictures but mine.

I think this will work:

 

https://de.numista.com/forum/images/689601ee03b97.png

 

So here it is; I just removed “miniature/” in the link:

 

 

And wow! To get an 1881 coin in one's change is quite something!

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It's an age old problem that we could repair in the past by editing the code of a message but we don't have that ability anymore since the new web design. You probably edited your message after you've uploaded the pictures or had something marked while doing it, or the pictures are to close together and the links got corrupted leaving only the thumbnails without the hyperlinked original size.

Oldest 1800 N#16940

Oldest received in change 1911 N#10085

The Double Florin (4/-) and Crown (5/-) were never demonitised. However there is more than interpretation. I think the gold half and one sovereign are also still legal tender too (10/- and £1)

 

The oldest legal tender crown would be a half ryal of Edward IV from 1470, but is gold and very rare, then a crown of the Double Rose of Henry VIII (1520s), also very rare. Oldest silver crown is 1551, but I also don't have one.

 

My oldest Crown is 1662

 

 

It has a face value of 25 pence in current British cash, of course such a coin now contains at least £26 of silver and even in this condition is worth in the low £100's. But it could be ecxluded as England is not a country anymore, just part of a country. The England in these coins was England and Wales. Scotland had its own coinage and English coins were used in Ireland, but Ireland got a few of its own dedicated coppers too, but they were also used in British empire aboard even then, like the USA and Canada until 1792 (USA, the year the first American coins came out) and 1858 (The year Canada got its own coinage).

 

So technically the oldest legal tender coins would be the Union of Great Britain in 1707. The Double florin did not exist then and Halfcrowns were demonitised in 1969. But I have this 1707 Crown of Queen Anne.

so basically 318 years old and still legal tender. However a sale of it online or trip to even the most scammy coin shop, would see you with a LOT more than 25p for it!

 

Some may argue further and say the Act of Union in 1801 was the real formation of the United Kingdom and its partly true. This included all of Ireland, but most of Ireland seceded in 1922 and fully cut itself off in 1949.

Also some may argue these milled 17th and 18th century coins were slightly larger and contained more silver than the post 1816 coinage that was used through to decimalisation. 1816 saw all the coins made with proper automated machines, which gave a perfectly round and regular shape to each coin and a standardised weight. Of course these coins were slightly smaller and lighter than the earlier ones. A pre 1816 silver crown weighed 30.10 grams, whereas a post 1816 crown weighed 28.28 grams. Both had .925 silver, so the silver in the earlier coin was about 1.7 grams (27.84 grams) more than the later coins (26.16 grams).

 

Between 1816 and 1960/69-80, these coins were all legal tender, regardless of silver content, so sterling silver (1816 - 1919) and half silver (1920 - 1946) could circulate along with the muck metal at least until 1969 (Farthings were demonitised in 1960, Halfcrowns in 1969, everything else except 6d, 1/-, 2/- in 1971, and those coins in 1980 (6d), 1991 (1/-) and 1993 (2/-), mainly as those last two were shrunk in size.

 

So all that blabber out of the way, the true winner is an 1818 crown, made to the 1816 standard and technically still valid for 25 pence. The true winner is an 1817 sovereign at £1 in modern money, but I don't have one as they are very rare and expensive. So are later Georgian crowns, but they are much more affordable than 1810s sovereigns (£100 vs £1000+)

 

In 1818 a box at the opera or a gourmet meal, in 2025 a Jaffa cake or a few lollies. My oldest still current coin from an existing country, 207 years old!

 

Double florins issued between 1887 and 1890 are also still valid and carry a face value of 20 pence. Again a lot cheaper than the older crowns, but still with a value of £22 or so in silver and catalogue values of between £30 and £200, you would be nuts to spend one at 20 pence.

I have shown my 1887 or oldest for the sake of veracity in this thread.

 

Called the barmaids ruin, it was easy to confuse it for a crown and after 4 years, they stopped making it.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

Camerinvs

I think this will work:

 

https://de.numista.com/forum/images/689601ee03b97.png

 

So here it is; I just removed “miniature/” in the link:

 

 

And wow! To get an 1881 coin in one's change is quite something!

Awesome, thank you very much :)

I'm pretty sure mine is this UK crown of King George III

 

Crowns were not demonitized on decimal day. I'm quite certain this is still legal tender, though I doubt any of these circulated after the 1950s

It is, it's legally worth 25 New pence, although its silver value is closer to £20 and book value twice that, even in that condition.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

I used to have an 1831 US penny, which was my oldest coin ever, and technically was the oldest non-demonitized coin I had.

Did you know that Pluto is still a planet in Illinois and New Mexico and has de facto recognition as a planet in Arizona?

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