I have been hearing that ISIS is minting coins in gold, silver and copper. Of course they are a brutal and evil organization, however I find their attempt to return to precious metals backed currency interesting. I think it is notable that many of the coins we collect have been minted by malicious empires throughout history.
Would anybody on this forum buy them or is it "too soon"?
Has anybody seen these coins?
Is it possible that taking a large number of ISIS coins out of circulation could be in any way detrimental to their organization?
Coins are not responsible for the activities of the organization. The same question we can ask for German Reich coins?
I can not post image of coins, but google gives nice pictures of all the planned 7 isis coins. just write "isis coins".
Every single coin on the world should meet its collector!
Well put KasparsLV. Their plans to mint these coins was announced in October/November 2014 and ISIS has been buying precious metals for months. They are a wealthy organization and I wonder if they have started minting yet. I have been trying to locate these coins with no success.
By buying the ISIS coins, I believe we will be supporting the trade in those coins and therefore indirectly be financing these lunatics.
This is very different for me to buying Nazi coins as the government who issued them no longer exists, so they can no longer reap the benefit from the trade in their coins.
I remember ISIS' first images showing their "coin dies" from a few months ago - they had photoshopped an image of their coin design onto a generic coin die stock photo, but they forgot to flip this design around. So their photoshopped "die" would strike coins backwards.
I have very serious doubts about their competence when it comes to striking their own coins, so hopefully this project will stay unrealized and the world's numismatists won't have to deal with the ethical implications of such a thing.
Maybe in future years I would look into buying one, but only once the organization is decisively crushed so no money from the sale can possibly benefit them in any way. Once they're no longer in the daily news, the demand for their "coins" would plummet anyway (remember the Kew Gardens 50p bubble?)
In the meantime, why not buy some fantasies from Kurdistan instead?
引用する: SpookieBy buying the ISIS coins, I believe we will be supporting the trade in those coins and therefore indirectly be financing these lunatics.
This is very different for me to buying Nazi coins as the government who issued them no longer exists, so they can no longer reap the benefit from the trade in their coins.
I don't think we are going to buy these coins because they are not going to sell these coins. Also I don't think that you will "help" them if you buy these coins somewhere.
That is the debate I have been having in my head since I heard about these coins. I would think ISIS would be opposed to their currency leaving their region, as they intend for it to be circulated, not held in other countries.
For example, for every kilo of gold, silver and copper that get "exported", they would have to buy more gold, silver, and copper and mint more coins. Since their currency is based solely on intrinsic metal value I don't believe buying ISIS coins would increase its value like what we have seen with China modulating the USD by stockpiling US currency. ISIS is a pretty wealthy organization due to their control of oil wells etc so I think any positive or negative effects would be negligible.
Once they had been defeated it might be nice to get at least one coin; but as long as they are active it is a No go. It would be just like buying oil from them... like Turkey...
They find joy in murder and slaughter of those who don't follow their muslim law; which they over and over again violate with their barbaric acts. So they don't deserve shelf space in any collector with a bit of intelligence to know that buying their coins is supporting them; even from re sellers as they would then buy more and more as the demand would be good. I am sure thou that some countries will buy the gold with not the smallest remorse; like China.
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I collect whole world by type... I colect nazi, communis, capitalist, terrorist... whatever, and that does not mean that I support or follow any of those ideologies. All coins are pieces of history and there is a place for all of them in m collection. They are great reminder of what world used to be like. In other words, it would not bother me to have a coin from ISIS. However I would not buy coins from ISIS if that is going to benefit them.
If it is real who minted them? I heard since they were not a legit nation they could not get it minted.
As for buying them yes I would, but not before it gets seized by customs.
I don't think the man in the background of that photo looks very Iraqi or Syrian, and the LBMA in the photo is a legitimate refining company... many privately issued gold coins already exist that are called "dinar", so Googling "gold dinar" is not going to bring up only results for these latest ISIS inanities.
They aren't all Iraqi or Syrian, there have been European children going to join the fight, it could literally be anyone.
I really don't believe in these, I find it quite offensive to be honest. Any shops accepting them as legal tender deserve a visit from HMRC
I think it is real. I hqve never heard of someone making fake isis coins. If I am correct and this is in fact a real one, that is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buy these coins is a crime in the eyes of the juridical law and is totally contrary to the moral duty.
Buying these coins finances a terrorist organization ; never forget that the metal which will be used to make them comes from theft and looting.
An "official" website of the pseudo-Islamic state about the coming strike of these coins: http://isis-coins.com/
No doubt, if they go on sale, they would cost more than the pure metal value, which means buying equals sponsoring.
Also terrorists needs dollars and euros, because they will need to buy things (like weapons) from others who won't accept their own currency.
And I don't feel too good about paying someone who wants me dead.
No. Nor would I buy an Auschwitz commemorative coin made from dental gold, coins made from silver "recovered" from the 9/11 tragedy or the sadly inevitable Canadian "Greatest Serial Killer" quarter series.
There are some things which are just not right.
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No.
For all the reasons already mentioned.
Specially for what pileborg said.
I would not want to give money to the organisation who uses it to buy a weapon to kill me. Literally.
I know, some people say, it is like buying third reich coins. It's not!
You don't financially sponsor third reich when you buy their coins, because they are gone, but by buying isis coins you do support them..
Both Jordan and Egypt have been actively engaging ISIS positions. I'd like nothing better than to see the middle east solving it's own problems without outside interference. The more America and the EU meddles, the worse the region becomes.
Neither the "nation building" of Bush or the bullying of Obama have improved the lives of the ordinary people living in the region one iota. If they want to live under a dictator or embrace ISIS then let them.
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USA acts like ISIS: USA Army kills innocent people, they occupy countries. (And even cooperate with ISIS.) The difference is that they have media. Hollywood and news channels set all things OK. Is that enough for not collecting USA dollars? I think no.
I hate ISIS, but in my perspective coin collecting is like writing history. Coins will help us to know every country better.
So... if I find some ISIS coins, I will collect them.
(After all, I'm not sure about my answer. Guys who said this is sponsoring are not wrong.)
Philip wrote tru words...
Isis kills today, and now. just when we chat sitting in our warm and comfortable chairs....
from another side, if we start to making parallels, - YES, why not? If we collect coins of Central African Empire, where was sitting cannibal president, who killed 50% of his nation, and friendly cooperated with France? If we collect Equatorial Guinea` coins, where government killed almost 100% of nation? If we collect Spanish coins, which made a hell in Americas in the times of conquistadors? they killed almost all population of natives and their meat was a food for soldiers dogs. You could buy a meat of Indian in the local "shop" - you just had to ask for dog food. What about British troops in Australia and New Zealand? where are natives? How many same stories can we remind... I think - hundreds. But there were THAT times. 1945 changed a world, and World became thinking about its behave. Most countries said "sorry" instead of previous governments and monarchies......
but Isis exist now , in the real time. IT is a nightmare which kills everthing around it. Moslems, Christians, Assirians, Yezids, Kurds, Armenians... its just a good machine with plans to have a territory between Mediterannean, Red and Persian seas.
and - YES, I agree with Phil, that there are things which are just not right.
Even if it exists, there is no certainty these coins are really made for common circulation for these terrorist-controlled territories. Like lots of nations or territories whose name is used for fraudulent minting and selling as a numismatic product... Take for example Galapagos, Easter island... All these coins were just tokens made to trap collectors. Maybe these so-called ISIS coins are simple tokens used for a similar purpose. This would explain why they can be found in China, for example... They've private mints for private use only.
Anyway I don't think this old currency model, a little outdated, may be successful, as gold and silver may be easily used for metal smuggling (if you see what I wanted to say) and unabme to be easily numbered in such currency as the base metal values are far from each other. Forget gold coinage, and even silver/copper coinage would not be interesting as easily on use to finance such groups.
For me: no way.
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引用する: mrfaneUSA acts like ISIS: USA Army kills innocent people, they occupy countries. (And even cooperate with ISIS.) The difference is that they have media. Hollywood and news channels set all things OK. Is that enough for not collecting USA dollars? I think no.
I hate ISIS, but in my perspective coin collecting is like writing history. Coins will help us to know every country better.
So... if I find some ISIS coins, I will collect them.
(After all, I'm not sure about my answer. Guys who said this is sponsoring are not wrong.)
You sir need to google what the middle east was heading towards until these people took over and dictated tyrant laws. Women could learn degree's and not have to cover themselves up, men regularly wore suits, public libraries were abundant. Now look at the mess that has been left by these tyrant control freaks. (in general, ISIS and those before them)
Some suicide bombers would also decide they don't actually want to do it after all, but they don't realise a fighter from isis has a sniper rifle trained on them, not fully understanding why the bomb has a "dead mans trigger", bullet in head of suicide bomber = detonation.
If someone was selling nazi coins during the time of hitler, they would receive the same disgusted backlash, now over 75 years later it is part of a historical event where a very few if any are still alive who had to suffer his tyranny thirst for control and murder. It is like celebrating the fact hitler and his messed up ideas were wiped out. There is no one left to take offence, just like Roman coins.
you don't support the current tyrants who are still actively causing horrific crimes.
as for America, yes they do need to wind their necks back in as they believe they have the right to jump in when they see fit with the main goal to secure oil etc. and take out any targets they see fit on foreign soil, the U.S government is getting a little too big for their own boots. ISIS is like the Hydra, cut off one head and two more replace it, their tactics are being proven to not be effective. those funding them should be the focus, including coin collectors. its WW2 syndrome, Soldiers see a friend shot to hell or blown up beside them, next you get a soldier who instead of wanting to serve his country change into someone who has strong hatred for the Muslim community, therefore not caring if a stray bullet takes out innocents. it is a very bad situation to be in and has been proven that neither side will give in because it is revenge for previous violent acts where colleagues were horrifically killed, it wont stop until one side has been totally wiped out, just like ww2.
and finally, every mint in the world produces coins that cost less to manufacture than face value, therefore making a profit, ISIS coins will be no different.
so to answer the thread question, no I would not and whoever tried to sell it to me would end up swallowing their own teeth.
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Regardless of the ideology and atrocities these coins are a piece of the history of the world and will hold significant value. Especially for historians and collectors of military memorabilia. I happen to own some and, believe me, the Caliphate did not prosper from the transaction in any way.
引用する: "KasparsLV"Coins are not responsible for the activities of the organization. The same question we can ask for German Reich coins?
I can not post image of coins, but google gives nice pictures of all the planned 7 isis coins. just write "isis coins".
It's a fair point, but there's a major difference: The Third Reich has fallen and those coins are no longer used to directly fund their actions. ISIS is still very much alive and well and while I would have no objection to owning one decades after they're gone, they're still active and I'm not going to do anything that could potentially support them in any way.
As a historical artefact I'd be very interested, but as a contemporary item I'll be steering clear.
I would just because it represents an area of the world that I spent some time in. I don't believe me getting a coin is any different than say one of the other countries that fund ISIS currently so I cannot have a double standard.
If you have coins produced by these cavemen in either your collection or swap list please don't ever open a swap with me. In fact just bugger off and don't talk to me in any way on any subject.
What's wrong with you? These nasty animals are not just someone that we have a few differences with, they are mass raping women, burning people alive in steel cages, tossing homosexuals off tall buildings and torturing children to death in front of their parents. Today in 2016.
The usual moral relativism of trying to paint some kind of relationship between the US and these barbaric scum is beyond contempt. This is not the first time that this type of poison has been spread on these forum pages, the late and unlamented SROWE had a habit of claiming something similar about the French government. Our Western Democracies may not be perfect but they are the best available to us anywhere in the world. I don't like US Presidents adventuring overseas, they have a job to do right here at home. There is much that I dislike about the Obama and Hollande regimes but to compare them to ISIS is downright offensive. Neither regime is burning people alive on TV or crucifying children for fun. There is absolutely NO moral comparison between Western Democratic states and these terroristic psychos and anyone trying to make that claim is either a moron or a liar.
Outta here ya sick twats.
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My wife family is from Syria, and the horrible news I keep hearing will make anyone cry.
I do collect Syrian coins and I have 3 different collections so not the best example, but my reasons are different.
There are few coins with Assad face, or related to their political movement, which I am not happy with them, but they are part of the country coinage... now ISIS Coins if ever produced or available in the market are out of my collecting limits.
I can respect Myeackle point of view as he has served in the region (correct me if wrong) but Believe me you will be better with some nice Arab Sweets, A block of Hallumi Cheese and other Arab related memories than this coins made out of the blood of many innocent people.
I travel the region at least 5-6 times a year and you can clearly see how some areas are affected, even how some Syrian nationals are banned to enter the Gulf Countries for just work as labors, or any other position.
So imagine you are being bombed by your own government, killed by terrorist and on top of that banned to enter other countries just to find a decent job and support your family. I know a fact that currently Kuwait ban the mobilization of Syrians to the country due to the actual country condition, similar to what many European and North American countries has raised that they should complete background checks on any asylum applicant. (which yes I agree) as it could have one or two ISIS guys undercover, but this is not the case as they are actually banning all of them.
引用する: "MonaSeaclaid"
.....As a historical artefact I'd be very interested, but as a contemporary item I'll be steering clear.
my sentiments exactly. I respect other people's viewpoints. God knows some other coins in my collection can serve as a moral dilemma. So it's not my place to judge others
But aren't you doing the same by paying taxes to the Untited States government?
*ducking for cover from predator drones *
But I also wouldn't aquire them ... aren't they made in China anyways so they are not even real blood money where's the fun in that?
/questionable statement
I agree with many of the people that have posted around here: I would buy them, but once I have made sure they cannot profit in any way from my coin buying, neither directly nor indirectly. And that means, I would buy them once I know that ISIS no longer exists. Apart from the moral considerations, there is another point that I think nobody has addressed in here: there will probably be legal considerations. It will depend on which country are you from, but very probably, there is some law that forbids you from doing it on the grounds of financing terrorism. You could find yourslef in a very costly mess if you decide to buy.
Regarding the moral conundrum, I find very appropirate the comparison with the Third Reich coins, or with Francoist coins for that matter, as they touch closer to home.
I believe that as a numismatist your job is to keep record and organization of the coins, medals and the likes. If ISIS mints coins that are used in circulation, that is part of numismatics. It is not our job to denounce history. For those people that say it is not right, I hope you don't have coins from the Roman empire, or Reichpfennigs, or soviet coins from the Stalin, etc. There is little difference, except the passing of time.
I would say - for me it is clear - buying ISIS coins you sponsor the war, victims increase and so on. Also ISIS is a banned organization, so if someone find smth which belongs to ISIS (I suppose coins of ISIS is a part of their organization and also a their advertising somehow) - you can be arrested. For example in Russia ISIS is banned by Law and it will be like you are spreading their ideas and supporting them.
And dont tell me about Nazi coins - it was too long time ago and it was not banned organization but it was a country and region for at least 12 years.
引用する: "Carlos55"I believe that as a numismatist your job is to keep record and organization of the coins, medals and the likes. If ISIS mints coins that are used in circulation, that is part of numismatics. It is not our job to denounce history. For those people that say it is not right, I hope you don't have coins from the Roman empire, or Reichpfennigs, or soviet coins from the Stalin, etc. There is little difference, except the passing of time.
That's my two bits. Cheers.
That's a very good distinction drawn by Carlos and on reflection, I think the right approach.
If the caliphate manages to hold territory and become a legitimate issuer of legitimate coins then the numismatic question is settled. If they produce currency at face value, or even at a loss like US cents and nickels, they will go into our collections and the various coin catalogs will include them.
However if they produce silver and gold coins as a means to both raise funds and give themselves a veneer of a responsible government it's a different matter. I would consider them to be as numismatically unworthy as Hutt River and modern Liberia coins. I can live with these type of fantasy issues created purely for profit, especially if some of that profit runs downhill and benefits the community. (how many poor Liberian families have been fed because of those coins we love to hate) But what good outcome can there be from contributing towards the bank balance of the Islamic State?
I wouldn't like to see them banned, we don't need the government involving itself in our hobby. It should be a judgement call made by each collector individually. For my part, I would 100% ostracize anyone peddling such coins, both socially and numismatically. That's how, in my view, we ought to be addressing this issue.
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引用する: "kommodore"To be honest i'd collect them but only after ISIS is gone and only if they really circulated.
People were forced to buy them, at loss of course, and use them. So they did circulate. Although not widely I believe.
And yes, I would be interested in getting them. But definitely not from them. But some time later, to benefit these victims who were forced to buy them.
Quite apart from the moral question I find it embarrassing that a ragtag bunch of terrorists have sound currency, backed by real stored value, while us "civilized" people are using fiat paper money.
End the Fed.
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引用する: "AmerSalmeh"Could be these are proposed and hers is actual? The ones on numista are all plated only, Chinese?
I will be adding hers today
i dunno..if you google "isis coins" you will only get one hit with that coin, and that is her twitter..
I was following her for some time, she is quite respected journalist, a specialist for Syria war zones.
I never said anything about the coin she showed was a fake, just that I hadn't seen it before. But it is as Amer Salmeh said, it's the new design of 2017.
引用する: "klangdon"I have been hearing that ISIS is minting coins in gold, silver and copper. Of course they are a brutal and evil organization, however I find their attempt to return to precious metals backed currency interesting. I think it is notable that many of the coins we collect have been minted by malicious empires throughout history.
Would anybody on this forum buy them or is it "too soon"?
Has anybody seen these coins?
Is it possible that taking a large number of ISIS coins out of circulation could be in any way detrimental to their organization?
hi
I have some Isis coins that where given to me by a Haval . I am currently in Syria at the moment with the YPG/SDF. I didn't even know they did coins until I found one in dier ezzor. I asked a Haval what it was and he said it's desh currency. Then I was given a hand full. Do you know much about them?
引用する: "Arges8"Do you have any info on the Isis coins. I was given a bunch in dier ezzor the other day buy a Haval.
Ask those who gave you the coins, you should have better info than us
I take it you have no idea about the normal people living in the Middle East. They don't care about money especially rare coins. They like possessions. Blenders, pots and pans, goats, label clothing, sheep etc. Coins are lumps off metal to them.
引用する: "jelle"Hhmm, if I could catch one, I would buy it haha,
Do you have any info on the Isis coins. I was given a bunch in dier ezzor the other day buy a Haval.
I wonder what where you doing in Syria...
more like, are* ...
I working with the YPG and SDF forces. I was on patrol and found a big bronze coin on the floor. So I asked a Haval what type of coin it was, as I didn't recognised the markings. He said desh "Isis" I showed interest especially in the detail off the coin, he then slapped a hand full into my hands. I've learned they actually started there own currency
I'm not hear to prove anything. I just want to find out more about these coins. I will add a picture off the coins if you like. I will put the word arsehole and time/date it for proof
Copper or bronze and the small silver ones I'm not sure on The purity. I'm going to have them looked at when I get back by a specialist, and I'm not to sure on the legality on having these coins.
引用する: "Arges8"Copper or bronze and the small silver ones I'm not sure on The purity. I'm going to have them looked at when I get back by a specialist, and I'm not to sure on the legality on having these coins.
i don't know if there are any official bans for these coins since they rarely leave the region and a farely unknown to the outside world..
引用する: "Monninen1"I had never even heard of these!
Me too. That's why I'm trying to find out origins and history. I hate what they stand for. I am here fighting them at the moment, and they are scum. But unfortunately they will be part of our history. Coins have always been used as momentous of history.
History defines by events and people that happened in the past. ISIS is like a bee sting, but it happened, so it was something.
Hopefully, as ISIS is currently falling back in terms of land occupied in Syria and Iraq, some ISIS coins will be kept and not melted (what they like to do) and put in museums as a warning to our descendants, as a scar in our history.
引用する: "SquareRootLolly"History defines by events and people that happened in the past. ISIS is like a bee sting, but it happened, so it was something.
Hopefully, as ISIS is currently falling back in terms of land occupied in Syria and Iraq, some ISIS coins will be kept and not melted (what they like to do) and put in museums as a warning to our descendants, as a scar in our history.
true. just like nazi germany is the most horrible thing that ever happened to europe in modern time, many collectors here who are disgusted by people who have - or would like to have - isis coins, possesses nazi german coins themselves. hypocrits, or is it a different thing because nazi germany is in the past? their actions still happened, even if it were yesterday or 70 years ago, and the scars still remains.
引用する: "SquareRootLolly"History defines by events and people that happened in the past. ISIS is like a bee sting, but it happened, so it was something.
Hopefully, as ISIS is currently falling back in terms of land occupied in Syria and Iraq, some ISIS coins will be kept and not melted (what they like to do) and put in museums as a warning to our descendants, as a scar in our history.
true. just like nazi germany is the most horrible thing that ever happened to europe in modern time, many collectors here who are disgusted by people who have - or would like to have - isis coins, possesses nazi german coins themselves. hypocrits, or is it a different thing because nazi germany is in the past? their actions still happened, even if it were yesterday or 70 years ago, and the scars still remains.
I've heard that in the US you can't own North Korean coins/banknotes legally, is this true?
Either way, IMO I could see how someone could be potentially offended by a collector of 1936-45 German coins in say, 1947, but this is 2017, and there's quite an obvious line between 'collector of historical pieces' and 'alt-right neo-Nazi'.
The same isn't really true for ISIS, given how they're still a relevant threat in the Middle East as of right now. If you were collecting swastika coins in the UK or US in 1942, more people would look at that in a suspicious light. Perhaps in 2057 we'll look back at any ISIS issued coins/tokens they same way we do the Confederate Half Dollar or coins of the Japanese puppet states; short lived regimes that got relegated to history.
Ngdawa, I believe the problem people have with buying isis coins is that the money went strait to the terrorist, once it’s a part of history and there is no longer an isis, I dont think it would be a problem.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Are they still made out of copper, silver and gold?
THESE COINS ARE FROM THE AH 1437 SERIES , NOT ALL OF THEM , WHICH I DO NOT HAVE YET , I HAVE ALL 13 COINS AND VARIETIES OF AH 1436 SERIES , LISTED HERE : http://giladzuckerman.webs.com/mercuguinness.html#IS WITH DETAILS , THE COINS SHOWN HERE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY DESIGNS FROM WHAT I HAVE , DO YOU HAVE A GOOD SOURCE FOR OBTAINING THE 1437 AH SERIES ?
Are they still made out of copper, silver and gold?
THESE COINS ARE FROM THE AH 1437 SERIES , NOT ALL OF THEM , WHICH I DO NOT HAVE YET , I HAVE ALL 13 COINS AND VARIETIES OF AH 1436 SERIES , LISTED HERE : http://giladzuckerman.webs.com/mercuguinness.html#IS WITH DETAILS , THE COINS SHOWN HERE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY DESIGNS FROM WHAT I HAVE , DO YOU HAVE A GOOD SOURCE FOR OBTAINING THE 1437 AH SERIES ?
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I would not buy one, because the proceeds would go to supporting an entity I don't believe in or want to support. Buying Nazi Germany coins is different, because the proceeds don't support the Nazi cause. It's buying a piece of history.
New Info:
Hi guys, yesterday I was reading this thread and at a certain moment I became curious and I searched on Google for a web page that had been mentioned earlier in the topic "Isis-coins.com" and for my surprise when I entered the page I found that currently the alleged jihadist coins are being sold there.
(if you want to know more, enter the link below)
https://isis-coins.com/buy.php
Ps: to avoid confusion I just want to say that I dont support the jihadists, I've just posted this to inform you what i found about this thread.
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引用する: "Max_505"New Info:
Hi guys, yesterday I was reading this thread and at a certain moment I became curious and I searched on Google for a web page that had been mentioned earlier in the topic "Isis-coins.com" and for my surprise when I entered the page I found that currently the alleged jihadist coins are being sold there.
(if you want to know more, enter the link below)
https://isis-coins.com/buy.php
Ps: to avoid confusion I just want to say that I dont support the jihadists, I've just posted this to inform you what i found about this thread.
but in my perspective coin collecting is like writing history. Coins will help us to know every country better.
Guys who said this is sponsoring are not wrong.) 
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