USA: 1 cent 1807, km22, dates / fractions / ‘Comet’

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Any comment will be well received and considered, thanks in advance

I'm sure you didn't choose the terminology yourself but I find it very confusing. The "large fraction" has small numbers and the "small fraction" has large numbers. Wouldn't "wide fraction" and "narrow fraction" a more appropriate terminology? I know Krause uses "small and large fractions" too, but I still find it confusing.

Edit: I've just checked my Red Book. Ole, I think you've made a mistake and exchanged the pictures (or the text). The pictures in the Red Book show the "large fraction" has large numbers and the "small fraction" has small numbers.

Hi,

you're definitely right, I'll have to change the graphic. As for the naming it's what is used on the pcgs, usacoinbook etc, so I'm not going to change that.

Hi,

you're definitely right, I'll have to change the graphic. As for the naming it's what is used on the pcgs, usacoinbook etc, so I'm not going to change that.

引用する: "Sjoelund"​As for the naming it's what is used on the pcgs, usacoinbook etc, so I'm not going to change that.​

​The name is no problem anymore because now it makes sense. But with your first graphic the name was very confusing, now we know why.

Glad you straightened out the small/large fraction.

Several questions/comments:

1. For the 7 over 6's - do you want to point out the differences in the 1's in the date? Blunt 1 = small 7 Pointed 1 = large 7
2. Why are you calling the normal date "small 7"? That's a very different 7 than in the two overdates. I would just say "Normal date." The small fraction, large fraction and comet all are variants of the normal date coin.
3. I would mention the "comet" is the result of a die break.
4. I don't understand why you say the large 7/6 is a small fraction and the small 7/6 is a large fraction. They are both small fraction. Pictures below are the reverses of small 7/6 and large 7/6. Fractions are the same size.


Edit: Had it backwards. They are both small fractions. You can tell by the shape of the 1's.

1. For the 7 over 6's - do you want to point out the differences in the 1's in the date? Blunt 1 = small 7 Pointed 1 = large 7
2. Why are you calling the normal date "small 7"? That's a very different 7 than in the two overdates. I would just say "Normal date." The small fraction, large fraction and comet all are variants of the normal date coin.
3. I would mention the "comet" is the result of a die break.
4. I don't understand why you say the large 7/6 is a small fraction and the small 7/6 is a large fraction. They are both large fraction. Pictures below are the reverses of small 7/6 and large 7/6. Fractions are the same size.

1. done, but it starts to get overloaded?
2. done
3. done
4. OK, here are my images, showing my point so where do we go? I have changed it for your suggestion, but I'm hardly convinced.

If you're not convinced then I'm no longer convinced either. Maybe the overdates can be both? I want to look at all the examples in PCGS.

I looked at the 4 small 7 coins in PCGS and the 7 large coins in PCGS. All 11 were small fractions. Where did you get the picture of the large fraction one?

A lot more 1807/6 one cents here but also ALL with small fractions: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=1+cent+1807+draped+bust&category=1-2&lot=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=0

Thanks. I couldn't see the large pictures without logging in. I'm thinking we shouldn't put a large/small fraction label on the overdates unless we some with large fractions.

引用する: "rsirian1"I couldn't see the large pictures without logging in. I'm thinking we shouldn't put a large/small fraction label on the overdates unless we some with large fractions.

​Yes, without logging in asearch isn't so useful. Making an account is free and they don't bother or annoy you at all with messages or anything else. And they don't ask personal information, you only need a username and a password to make an account.

Well I did it. They have very nice pictures. I didn't look at them all but I the ones I saw were small fractions.

Also, it just dawned on me. If these are overdated 1806 coins wouldn't they all be the same reverse as the 1806's which were all small fractions?

I'll go with you. I'm convinced, I can not pin-point any proof of the opposite.

Agree. Change the graphic and I think we're done with this year. If you want to post the generic in a new thread we can go over that.

I cannot see, what needs to be modified?

Oh yes, got it at last!

I think we did it.

It just shows, how difficult it can be to understand each other, but with some good flexible spirits, we do manage after several turns of the roundabout