As we now have a clear distinction between coins and Exonumia, would it be an idea to integrate inside the coin section a coin set section?
A lot of collector like sets and this way we may satisfy collectors needs.
Is a set not just the sum of the coins within it? If so, would it not work to just input the coins themselves in the current system and mark that they are part of a set?
And if not, is this a proposal to catalog packaging material? This might be feasible for mints with consistent practices and good, accessible documentation. However, for some of the more...prolific mints it might get very messy trying to keep track of all of the pieces that make a "set."
None of this is to disparage sets at all. I have a few that I'm rather fond of. I just don't know that I see the added value in trying to make them work in the catalog.
Hello,
I agree with this idea. It would be interesting to list coin sets (with links to the coins and/or tokens in the set). It would facilitate for people who collect sets or exchange sets.
However, this is quite low in my priority list and it will not be be implemented before at least 1 year. I rejected a similar idea in the past for this reason. Let's keep this one opened to track the idea for the long term.
The addition of this option could also solve another recurring issue, that of coin packages issued by the mint. Next to the traditional different coinsets, we can also include coincards (eg. in different languages as with the Belgian €2 CC of the last few years 🤢), original coinrolls, sets that combine coins/notes/exonumia, …
The main coin catalogue can gain a lot from such an option: getting rid of all the different packages' year lines for basically the same coin (dominated by all of His Majesty's dominions) .
Coin sets - this is a higher numismatic league, rather a super league-primarily because it is issued from production specifically for collectors and as investment numismatics.
The coin section is a coin and the exonumia section is exonumia and they can be together in sets so they cannot be separated.
We are aware that we can enrich our website with a separate section, namely "Coin Sets", and thus give more collectors the opportunity to choices and refinement, diversification of the collection and exchange.
Coins from the set are also in circulation (I mean when they are somewhat different) and also in exonumia-so leave everything as it is.
And between the coin and exonumia section, simply insert the "Coin Sets" section, transfer all the countries of the world alphabetically there which issue coins in the 20th century.
And in my opinion the main thing now: The most important thing here will be the packaging
( the same circulating coins are mixed differently in many countries with exonumia, always UNC and the only thing that differentiates them is the form of the cover)
The value of a financial or collection set is always tied to a specific set -that is, a type of graphic or material-made packaging.
Here is just a small sample of our sets and various designs:
We all have this specific packaging in our collections-and we know that if we cut it or take it out, we lose that original uniqueness , This would be a great section for us collectors.
A lot of work, but it can be done slowly and continuously with deliberation.
Personally I would not mind a separate section for Coin Sets. Within the page for a particular set we could include links to the individual coins/tokens in the set on their separate pages.
So for instance the Royal Australian Mint Baby Set for 2023 includes 6 coins from 5 cents to $2 and a Mint Token.
I would also prefer to keep the existing individual records (mintage lines) for coins released in sets on the actual existing coin page. For Australia a lot of work has gone into recording all of the mintages for coins released in sets. Some coins have only been released in a set. Others are issued into circulation as well as being in a set.
Most Australian sets are either Proof or Uncirculated (BU). The coins in the above 2023 Baby set are not released into circulation so they need to keep their individual pages.
The new Set Pages could have pictures of the Sets in their packaging either included as the main pics or also in the comments for the set.
My Aussie 2 cents worth 😁
Cheers Mike
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Agreed - I have numerous sets from various countries. It seems counterproductive to try to value or separate individual coins out of a set that will, most likely, never be separated.
May mean a lot of work for someone though, adding sets by year to each page. Good luck !!!
I can get modern sets most often much cheaper then acquiring a full set of a year separately and if the are not proof I take them out immediately, they are just a waste of space and use of crude oil IMO.
I'll be brief, I'm not against creating a section for Sets, but I think that there are things, right now in Numista, that are much more important.
The referees and administrators are what they are, there are still many places without an assigned referee and a lot of work to be done and another to be regularized.
Let's get into making another section of “commercial packaging” now, I think it would not be ideal.
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Personally I would not mind a separate section for Coin Sets. Within the page for a particular set we could include links to the individual coins/tokens in the set on their separate pages.
So for instance the Royal Australian Mint Baby Set for 2023 includes 6 coins from 5 cents to $2 and a Mint Token.
I totally support the idea of adding sets. I remember someone even made the test pages for sets (NZ sets or so) time ago and they looked great. Good to know that sets could be added at the Numista.
Is it possible to add the category Mint Sets right next to Exonumia?
Open the platform and we can start populating the sets. Initially as a list (similar to Kreuse's catalogue)
and slowly adding photos and other relevant info.
Only full sets and in original condition for example.
I have some doubles and would like to swap just as marvelously as you've made this Numista community.
What prevents you to doing this?
Thanks again!
Ready, Fire, Aim!!
I'm all for sets being included but creating a blank section and having everyone fill it any which way is recipe for disaster. Need to first agree on content and structure then create guidelines so everyone does it the same. Can't have one system for Canadian sets different from the one for Australian sets different from one for US sets, etc.
But, I think having Sets as a catalog separate from the Coin catalog is a very good idea.
May I suggest including Exonumia sets too, possibly as a sub-section. Maybe with the proviso that they are fully packaged in the same way as uncirculated or proof coin sets are presented. I've only come across a few examples myself (see below), so it shouldn't be too much additional work for our wonderful adjudicators and referees.
These are solid silver and are issued by the Royal Australian Mint, so very collectable with various dated issues and designs over the years.
I'm all for sets being included but creating a blank section and having everyone fill it any which way is recipe for disaster. Need to first agree on content and structure then create guidelines so everyone does it the same. Can't have one system for Canadian sets different from the one for Australian sets different from one for US sets, etc.
But, I think having Sets as a catalog separate from the Coin catalog is a very good idea.
Yeah, it was a little messy in the beginning of the banknote section, but after a while everything started to fall into its place, and the Numista Robot could fix a lot of if very fast and easy. So since we could do it once, I'm sure we can do it again.
May I suggest including Exonumia sets too, possibly as a sub-section. Maybe with the proviso that they are fully packaged in the same way as uncirculated or proof coin sets are presented. I've only come across a few examples myself (see below), so it shouldn't be too much additional work for our wonderful adjudicators and referees.
These are solid silver and are issued by the Royal Australian Mint, so very collectable with various dated issues and designs over the years.
This shouldn't be a problem given the recent catalog change. And many mint set are mixed coin/exonumia as they contain coin and a mint token.
Taking advantage of the excellent new features added to Numista, I'd like to insist (beg?) that adding a small section to Mint Sets and Proof sets is an easy way to facilitate keeping track and swapping these sets.
It is NOT about the individual coins… those are already covered. Complete sets are different and valuable in their own right.
It can be as simple as listing them, for example as Krause has done it since the beginnings of time.
See photo below, as example for France:
What is the reason for NOT doing it? seems like a natural extension of a “Type of coin”
Yeah, that was back in 2021. He wasn't too keen to add banknotes either in the past, but as the community grew, the website envolved, we now have an amazing banknote catalogue. And just like jrubins56 said, now after the latesg uodate, there's really no real arguments for not adding it.
We define sets as official packaging from the mint containing one or several numismatic items. It contains only new items (not repackaging of older coins). Sets include proof sets, mint sets, coincards, rolls, etc.
You can add a set in your collection. It's a convenient way to add all the coins of a set to your collection at once, and they stay linked together: modification of a coin in your collection will be reflected on the other coins of the set it belongs to, and they also stay together in swaps.
You will find the list of sets on the page of the coins they contain (see for example on the page of the Lincoln cent) and you can add sets to the catalogue via the link “Register a set with this type” at the bottom of coin pages.
Many sets have been listed so far in the comment section or as year lines on the page of the coins they contain. They should gradually be moved to the new structure. Everyone is welcome to join this effort.
This feature is quite big and impacted many areas of Numista. Despite testing, we probably missed some bugs. If you notice any, please open a separate forum thread for each bug and we'll try to fix them quickly.
You will find the list of sets on the page of the coins they contain (see for example on the page of the Lincoln cent) and you can add sets to the catalogue via the link “Register a set with this type” at the bottom of coin pages.
Sounds great, the next great leap after the addition of banknotes … but I don't seem to find a place to start adding new sets (only with “duplicate” or a page with the overview of sets in my collection. Thanks!
@Xavier your link to the lincoln cent is wrong (testpage!)
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
Also - is it only official sets allowed - or there are empty
sets in a plastic case where your own coins can be slid in.
Please, only official sets … no second market or personal compositions ;-)
Xavier
We define sets as official packaging from the mint containing one or several numismatic items. It contains only new items (not repackaging of older coins). Sets include proof sets, mint sets, coincards, rolls, etc.
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
Is that link an actual page, or just a test page -
as where is the
which is usually above the year lines.
Also - is it only official sets allowed - or there are empty
sets in a plastic case where your own coins can be slid in.
The button to add a set to your collection is below the description of the set content of the page of the set.
Only official sets are in scope: "We define sets as official packaging from the mint containing one or several numismatic items. It contains only new items (not repackaging of older coins). Sets include proof sets, mint sets, coincards, rolls, etc."
Sounds great, the next great leap after the addition of banknotes … but I don't seem to find a place to start adding new sets (only with “duplicate” or a page with the overview of sets in my collection. Thanks!
@Xavier your link to the lincoln cent is wrong (testpage!)
The link to add a set is at the bottom of coin pages.
I was forced to add a number to the Issue limit. But at the moment we don't know what that will be. Currently the proof sets are unlimited and the actual issue limit will be known early in 2026.
So I entered just 1
Regards Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
We just released a feature to catalogue sets on Numista.
… but 8 years ago.
It's great that it's finally being implemented, but too bad it's 3 years after everyone's giving up on it and accept the fact ot won't happen. Why not do things when people are the most excited about something, but wait until (almost) everone stopped caring? 🤷♂️
I was forced to add a number to the Issue limit. But at the moment we don't know what that will be. Currently the proof sets are unlimited and the actual issue limit will be known early in 2026.
So I entered just 1
Regards Mike
We made a change. You can just leave the field for issue limit blank.
Status changed to Implemented(Xavier, 4 6月 2025, 12:34)
I entered $40.25 as the set's Buying value. Instead of dividing the value over each of the 10 coins ($4.025) the value is listed for each coin so my collection increased by $402.50.
Please can we have mintage as well as issue limit. We know the sales figures of Royal Mint sets and so we can add those figures in as well. Issue limit obviously meaning the maximum sets allowed to be sold.
Effectivement l’exonumia est composé je pense de beaucoup de sets. D’autant que certains sets officiels (de pièces en circulation) intègrent parfois une médaille/jeton exonumia.
Effectivement l’exonumia est composé je pense de beaucoup de sets. D’autant que certains sets officiels (de pièces en circulation) intègrent parfois une médaille/jeton exonumia.
Yes I know that, i have already added a set that comprised 6 coins and 1 Mint Token/Medal.
I was asking if we are allowing complete sets of Exonumia Medals?
Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
Effectivement l’exonumia est composé je pense de beaucoup de sets. D’autant que certains sets officiels (de pièces en circulation) intègrent parfois une médaille/jeton exonumia.
Yes I know that, i have already added a set that comprised 6 coins and 1 Mint Token/Medal.
I was asking if we are allowing complete sets of Exonumia Medals?
Mike
I'd say yes to this. If issued like that, eg. Esso or BP tokens in their different cards
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
That is great - I can add one set to my collection and all coins included in set are automatically added. Nice feature that a lot of users waited for.
@Xavier what about multiple issuers sets? Like Guernsey-Jersey-Alderney issued by Royal Mint at the time? Or recently Jersey-Guernsey-IOM by Tower Mint? Both referees needs to approve to create the set?
Message was displayed that set needs to be validated before it's published. And it appeared on my workflow of referee - so it's not validated automatically like for the coins.
Exonumia sets are welcome too. We just don't allow sets that were made by a different person or company than the mint or the issuing entity. Sets made by a third party from coins in circulation are not allowed.
Not sure why, but Team members get the ‘Sign in’ page when
given the ‘List of modification requests’ as today (needless to say),
there are sets being added already. How then do they get validated?!
The first two on today's list are:
⁙ Christiaan Huygens EURO set 1996 [13754847]
⁙ Royal Canadian Mint set 1980 [13754857]
which also I see do not have a country alongside on request page.
Is that because the members did not chose one, or an error?
Those numbers I added, are the request numbers - cannot get a link.
Sorry we have a bug here. The requests should not be visible for you. We will make a fix. In the meantime you can ignore the requests. Thanks for your understanding.
@Xavier what about multiple issuers sets? Like Guernsey-Jersey-Alderney issued by Royal Mint at the time? Or recently Jersey-Guernsey-IOM by Tower Mint? Both referees needs to approve to create the set?
Message was displayed that set needs to be validated before it's published. And it appeared on my workflow of referee - so it's not validated automatically like for the coins.
I've seen the case of multi-issuer sets for Benelux too. The request will go to the referee for the first item of the set.
We will make a fix so that you, as a referee, can create set without having to validate.
As always, a good tool. Very necessary, it makes Numista even better. Congratulations!!!
Anyway, I'm concerned, and I don't know if this has been mentioned, that there aren't general guidelines that we can all follow. If there aren't guidelines for the Sets section, things are going to start happening that we're already seeing (different title formats, images that do not match different sets, etc.).
For example, the title: what should the format be? Year or country first? What name should the Set have? This is what you see when you want to add a Set:
When you click on the "?" next to the fields, the information that appears has no relation to that field, so in this case of the image below, what would be the appropriate format for the title?
“2023 Andorra Coins Set” or “Andorra coins set 2023” or “Andorra circulating euro coins set 2023” etc…
Same with pictures. I see there are three photos allowed. Which ones should they be? In what order? Is it better to show the coins, the front cover, the back cover, the technical specifications?
Does this packaging below fall under the category of sets? What should we name it?
Title: Andorra Coincard 2 Euro Commemorative 2019 “600th anniversary of the General Council”, maybe too long??? No idea on how to do it, no Guideliness on this…
Please, before all the referees and users start entering sets, let's leave a clear guide on how to do things the same way for everyone.
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
We will make a fix so that you, as a referee, can create set without having to validate.
@Xavier Personally I like it that I have some kind of draft that I can check and edit before it goes live . I often don't know how a page will look like and have to do edits to fix ugly formatting or errors you don't easily see in the creation form. Would like the option for other items too at least as an option (while editing a set I saw that there is a ‘skip admin validation’ checkbox, maybe all referee/admin creation requests for their own catalog parts could have those ?)
@oynbcn if the coin only comes in that box I don't think an extra page is necessary and a section in the comments with the packaging is sufficient. Also yes a bit of a guideline would be good. I personally would use “Year ,(Mint) Set name, addendum/comment” for your example ‘2023 Year Set’ and for the coin card ‘2019 - 2 Euro "General Council of the Valleys" Coincard’.
Yes, guidelines for the set title are necesary to avoid the mess… I just adjusted the set title that I created earlier by moving the year for the beginning of title.
Just one question: why sets are not searchable by NS# number?
Just 10 options: you understand binary, or you don't.
Catalog Referee Coins, Banknotes & Exonumia: Uruguay, Cuba, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Zamunda, Parva Domus and more.
Sorry if this has already been asked, but is it possible to search only for sets? Will they appear in the country as “rows” just like the coins or will they just be linked on the page of each coin contained in the set? It would be nice if could be add the sets on the Coin options like “Standard Circulating Coins”, "Circulating Commemorative Coins", etc.
Another great feature for the best online catalog of this world! So proud to be part of! Best wishes to all!
For the last one (id=19 -Huygens) the coins in these set are all containg the metal symbol; but when there are sets with one or more coins wiithout those metal-symbols; should we have to make another set? in that case we can getting eight(8) different sets!!
For the last one (id=19 -Huygens) the coins in these set are all containg the metal symbol; but when there are sets with one or more coins wiithout those metal-symbols; should we have to make another set? in that case we can getting eight(8) different sets!!
Not sure what you mean with “containing metal symbols” (as the set has not been approved yet … but it sounds like you are describing sets where wrong coins have been added. Those would be errors, and as with coins/banknotes, would also not list error sets :-)
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
If there’s a mistake it’s my first try, give me a break :)
Question* -
Since I added the 2024 set, I can go ahead and remove the 2024 set year lines correct ?
I would think that the year lines on the individual coins would need to stay. Some of the sets are Proof & BU coins and need their own mintage lines.
Mike
The answer for the quetion in this case is rather yes (but @Xavier can confirm), doubled yearlines should be removed as all three are exactly the same version of the coin “BU finish”: one issued without packaging, second in card and third in set of 8 coins…
But for multiple 2 euro coins, we should keep 2 or 3 lines like: circulated standard, BU, Proof. Similar for Australian 1$ with BU, Proof or even multiple BU versions with different privy marks as the coins are different.
Hi, I see that people have rushed to create pages without a clear guide on how they should be. I won't do so until we have clear common guidelines.
For example, I see titles of all types, without any general criteria. Photos and descriptions … the same. What should the description include? Should a description of the type of packaging be included?
I've heard that a coin that comes in a box doesn't belong in the sets... What's the difference between a Coincard and a Box, if both are officially issued by an official mint? Just because the packaging is different, shouldn't it be included?
I think that the Coincard, if it's only issued in this format, would be sufficient with a comment and photo in Comments and in the year line (In Coincard only).
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
Yes, this “BC” is strange. i noticed this also yesterday and wanted to do correction but once entered into modification mode, all was OK. Looks like the display is wrong and this “BC” should be ommited in displaying.
I don't guess if any official set was issued before Christ, but possible if entered this case, it will show AD year instead… Can be that there is a minus on some point between database and value displayed.
It may be I did not catch the right drift here, but how about sets of medals or tokens? Like https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=3942 this one and many many others. Can we expect to have a separate branch or can these pieces be added within coins sets?
Hi, I see that people have rushed to create pages without a clear guide on how they should be. I won't do so until we have clear common guidelines.
For example, I see titles of all types, without any general criteria. Photos and descriptions … the same. What should the description include? Should a description of the type of packaging be included?
I've heard that a coin that comes in a box doesn't belong in the sets... What's the difference between a Coincard and a Box, if both are officially issued by an official mint? Just because the packaging is different, shouldn't it be included?
I think that the Coincard, if it's only issued in this format, would be sufficient with a comment and photo in Comments and in the year line (In Coincard only).
Totally agreed, coincards i think should not be considered sets, just because they are issued in a package.
Sets should be any mint issue containing 2 or more coins.
Wanted to add that set of Germany 2002 D Starter Kit with the issue of 11.600.000 pieces and i can add ma maximum of 1.000.000 pieces, can that be modified?
For the last one (id=19 -Huygens) the coins in these set are all containg the metal symbol; but when there are sets with one or more coins wiithout those metal-symbols; should we have to make another set? in that case we can getting eight(8) different sets!!
Not sure what you mean with “containing metal symbols” (as the set has not been approved yet … but it sounds like you are describing sets where wrong coins have been added. Those would be errors, and as with coins/banknotes, would also not list error sets :-)
When you was looking at he coin(s) you could see what I ment.
But NOT looking you don't know what you are talking about.
Wanted to add that set of Germany 2002 D Starter Kit with the issue of 11.600.000 pieces and i can add ma maximum of 1.000.000 pieces, can that be modified?
Is this a coin set, though? 🤔
I agree with the others, it best to wait for clear guidelines before adding stuff.
For the last one (id=19 -Huygens) the coins in these set are all containg the metal symbol; but when there are sets with one or more coins wiithout those metal-symbols; should we have to make another set? in that case we can getting eight(8) different sets!!
Not sure what you mean with “containing metal symbols” (as the set has not been approved yet … but it sounds like you are describing sets where wrong coins have been added. Those would be errors, and as with coins/banknotes, would also not list error sets :-)
When you was looking at he coin(s) you could see what I ment.
But NOT looking you don't know what you are talking about.
There is NO error! Only different minting.
We don't even know on which coins we should look at… so it's normal that nobody know what you are meaning…
The set you created is not visible until it's approved so we don't know which coins it cointains:
Anyway, I hope that Admins will check all the questions in this topic and they will set-up a clear rules for set section.
