Error coins

Is there or will there be a part of Numista where error coins can be found?

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

No and I hope not ... at least not in the main catalog.

引用する: "Idolenz"​No and I hope not ... at least not in the main catalog.

​Hi
Care to elaborate this no-no, while so much fuzz is being done over user name change. I have proposed something similar in the past, but only as a personal information...
I guess this no-no is rather personal opinion without any behind the curtains analysis over what would be good to have (probably satisfactory to many users - me included) and maybe some day even make something public out of it.
Take care & LP

I imagine that the problem with error coins is that adding them to the regular catalog would involve adding a huge amount of data for coins that are uncommon and generally lack shared features. Numista works as a reference because everyone who has a certain coin can refer to a single entry for it that encompasses known varieties. For error coins, you couldn't get away with grouping anything that wasn't an identical error (A doubled-die for one year is going to be noticeably different from another year even within the same coin, for example). Except in a few notable cases, error coins would essentially become a mountain of entries specific to individual coins held by individual users. It would really only serve the purposes of the holder of the individual error coin or as a kind of virtual museum rather than a reference tool.

Better, I think, to implement tools to make it easier for users to keep track of and share their own errors within their collection. The note and picture functions seem like they would be useful in this regard.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic101670.html

引用する: "mikimaus"​https://en.numista.com/forum/topic101670.html

An excellent idea. Added functionality that doesn't impact the existing catalog but allows better management for users who collect errors.

I'm just not a fan of hyper specialisation and to me errors are a symptom of this.

Because of the size I will take the example of American coin collecting.
In general Americans are only interested in US coinage and there are only so many types from which even fewer are very popular down to people who only collect let's say large cents.
So it doesn't take long and you'll have every type, every year and variety. Now many get bored and look for the tiniest little fart to inflate the number of collectable items were errors come into play.
Often these errors are individual and nearly endless (die breaks [some collect die progressions], cuds, strike-throughs, clippings, off-center strikes etc.) and except for a few countries errors are not well documented which doesn't make things any easier.

I see Numista as a general catalog. I have nothing against additional information in the comment section but if we have year lines that make me count 153 vs. 152 notches, differentiate 0.5 mm or 0.578 mm big berries (yes, it's a hyperbole but only just) and putting errors on top of that ... this exasperate even lists with just general varieties.

Maybe we could also try to agree on specs which coin variations within the same mintage should be single type only and let the user decide which ones he/she keeps. But that is not the question here (although personally I also don't like x number of subtle sub-types).
I am just saying it would be nice to have this specialization, but not in public catalogue. One nice proposal was also having error coins in separate collection.
LP

Hello,

Good to see a discussion about errors.

I have some listed in the comments:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7497.html

Since we can now add auction sales, I think it would be good to add them there. But I think there should be a way to mark them as errors, otherwise they would affect the price of regular pieces. And probably list them separate from other auctions.

Best
strato

One more thing. Does this also count as error, which should not be in the main catalogue? There are countless such entries already in the main catalogue...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19931.html
see: 1818 V "FNANCISCUS" (error); rare

Or this one stays as a cuortesy of being an oldie?

LP

It's not always black and white. This is a totally different kind of error. Someone made a mistake preparing the dies, which makes it a variety, not an error, therefore it deserves its place in the main catalog.
The errors we're talking about here are errors occurring during the striking process while the coin in your example is struck perfectly according to the dies.

引用する: "mikimaus"​Does this also count as error, which should not be in the main catalogue? There are countless such entries already in the main catalogue...
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​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19931.html
​see: 1818 V "FNANCISCUS" (error); rare
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​Or this one stays as a cuortesy of being an oldie?
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​LP

​Do you also want to remove this entire type? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7011.html



Because the country name was written wrongly: Belgish Congo in stead of Belgisch Congo.

approves the removal of typo coins.

引用する: "Essor Prof"​

引用する: "mikimaus"​Does this also count as error, which should not be in the main catalogue? There are countless such entries already in the main catalogue...
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​​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19931.html
​​see: 1818 V "FNANCISCUS" (error); rare
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​​Or this one stays as a cuortesy of being an oldie?
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​​LP

​​Do you also want to remove this entire type? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7011.html
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​Because the country name was written wrongly: Belgish Congo in stead of Belgisch Congo.

​Is there a clear line for which errors are being accepted and which not? Is your case proper enough to be compared?