Spain, Civil War local coinage, new issuers? [解決]

Hi everyone:

I think that, as has been done with German Notgeld and French Notgeld among others, local emissions during the Spanish Civil War should be independent issuers ans split them from issuer Spain, since they are coins (and banknotes) issued by City Councils (municipalities) and Councils due to scarcity of circulating currency during the war. They are coins that circulated and at Krause, each issuer is treated independently. That is why I think that, in the Coin Catalog, Spain should be classified as follows (in bold, proposal of new issuers):

SPAIN
· Spain
· Civil War (local coinage)
Sub-sections (see new list below)
· Spanish States
Sub-sections

The list of new issuers (sub-sections of Civil War) would be the following:

AMETLLA DEL VALLÈS
ARAHAL
ARENYS DE MAR
ASTURIAS Y LEÓN
CAZALLA DE LA SIERRA
EUZKADI
GRATALLOPS
IBI
LORA DEL RÍO
MARCHENA
MENORCA
NULLES
OLOT
PUEBLA DE CAZALLA
SANTANDER, PALENCIA Y BURGOS
SEGARRA DE GAIÀ

The monetary system is in all cases the same: Peseta (100 Céntimos) The flag that I think should be placed in the Civil War section would be that of the Second Spanish Republic, because, despite the fact that there are issuers that remained within the republican zone and others within the rebel zone, the general period in which they are framed is considered 2nd Spanish Republic (1931-1939)



What do you think about it?

Fully agreed.

Hi, what moderators, referees or Numista Team members think about it?
Regards, Oscar

They should be divided by region, then by city or town.

The same thing should also apply to the banknotes as well.

Aidan.

引用する: "BCNumismatics"​They should be divided by region, then by city or town.
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​The same thing should also apply to the banknotes as well.
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​Aidan.

​According to the current Territorial Organization of Spain, and following the system of the French Notgelds, the different issuers of the Spanish Civil War are framed in the following Autonomous Communities:

Republican Zone:

CATALONIA, Autonomous Community:

• AMETLLA DEL VALLÈS, City Council of
  
• ARENYS DE MAR, Municipal Council of
  
• GRATALLOPS, Municipality of
  
• NULLES, City Council of
  
• OLOT, City Council of
  
• SEGARRA DE GAIÀ, Municipal Council of
  

VALENCIA, Autonomous Community:

• IBI, Municipal Council of
  

BALEARIC ISLANDS, Autonomous Community:

• MENORCA, Municipal Councils of
  

BASQUE COUNTRY, Autonomous Community:

• EUZKADI, Government of
  

ASTURIAS & CASTILE AND LEON, Autonomous Communities:

• ASTURIAS Y LEÓN, Council of
  

CANTABRIA & CASTILE AND LEON, Autonomous Communities:

• SANTANDER, PALENCIA Y BURGOS, Council of
  

National Zone:

ANDALUSIA, Autonomous Community:

• ARAHAL, City Council of
  
• CAZALLA DE LA SIERRA, Municipality of
  
• LORA DEL RÍO, Municipality of
  
• MARCHENA, Municipality of
  
• PUEBLA DE CAZALLA, Municipality of
  

Hi, any news about that?

I agree with splitting the Spanish Civil War issuer, and I actually posted a thread about this a while back (November 2020; still pending). My list was based on both Coins and Banknotes:

Spanish Civil War
----- Albacete, Province of
---------- Albacete, Municipality of
----- Alicante, Province of
---------- Alicante, City of
---------- Dénia, City of
---------- Ibi, Municipality of
---------- Monòver, Municipality of
---------- Orihuela, City of
----- Austurias, Province of
---------- Gijón, City of
----- Asturias and León, Sovereign Council of
----- Badajoz, Province of
---------- Badajoz, Province of
---------- Don Benito, Municipality of
---------- Monterrubio de la Serena
----- Balearic Islands
---------- Menorca Island
----- Barcelona, Province of
---------- Arenys de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Barcelona, City of
---------- Bisaura de Ter, Municipality of
---------- Cabrils, Municipality of
---------- Caldes de Montbui, Municipality of
---------- Cornellà de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Granollers, Municipality of
---------- L'Ametlla del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- La Ciutat, District of
---------- Manlleu, Municipality of
---------- Manresa, Municipality of
---------- Martorell, Municipality of
---------- Mataró, Municipality of
---------- Moià, Municipality of
---------- Monistrol, Municipality of
---------- Olesa de Montserrat, Municipality of
---------- Pi de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Pineda, Municipality of
---------- Pins del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Premià de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Sabadell, City of
---------- Sentmenat, Municipality of
---------- Sitges, Municipality of
---------- Terrassa, Municipality of
---------- Viladecans, Municipality of
---------- Vilamajor, Municipality of
---------- Vilassar de Mar, Municipality of
----- Biscay, Province of
---------- Bilbao, City of
----- Cantabria, Province of
---------- Santander, City of
----- Catalonia, Government of
----- Euskadi, Government of
----- Girona, Province of
---------- Banyoles, Municipality of
---------- Girona, City of
---------- Guixols, Municipality of
---------- Olot, Municipality of
---------- Palamós, Municipality of
---------- Puigcerdà, Municipality of
---------- Ripoll, Municipality of
----- Guadalajara, Province of
---------- Guadalajara, Municipality of
----- Huesca, Province of
---------- Binéfar, Municipality of
---------- Graus, Municipality of
----- Lleida, Province of
---------- Lleida, City of
---------- Preixens, Municipality of
---------- Solsona, Municipality of
----- Murcia, Province of
---------- Murcia, Municipality of
---------- Totana, Municipality of
----- Santander, Palencia, and Burgos, Interprovincial Council of
----- Seville, Province of
---------- Arahal, Municipality of
---------- Cazalla de la Sierra, Municipality of
---------- La Puebla de Cazalla, City of
---------- Lora del Río, City of
---------- Marchena, City of
----- Tarragona, Province of
---------- Gandesa, Municipality of
---------- Gratallops, Municipality of
---------- Montblanc, Municipality of
---------- Montsià, County of
---------- Nulles, Municipality of
---------- Reus, Municipality of
---------- Segarra de Gaià, Municipality of
---------- Tarragona, City of
---------- Valls, Municipality of
----- Teruel, Province of
---------- Alcañiz, Municipality of
---------- Utrillas, Municipality of
----- Zaragoza, Province of
---------- Caspe, Municipality of

I used a format similar to our various Notgeld issuers (going with province then municipality) because there seems to be a bit of Notgeld within this section (although I am not sure if it can all necessarily be called Notgeld). Regardless, that was what I proposed. And with my proposal still pending... feel free to suggest any edits to that list.

Hi Sulfur, your list is incredible, when taking into account the banknotes as well, the list becomes much longer. I think it is very complete, thank you very much for expanding the information that I gave.

Glad you like it!

With nearly 40 coins and 100 banknotes listed on Numista, this section definitely needs a lot of work; however, without proper issuers, organization becomes difficult. And with country creation threads typically taking a while to complete, I could not give an estimate on when any of these issuers will be added...

With only 42 notgeld coins in Spain's Numista catalog, dividing them into about 20 issuers does not seem to be a comparable improvement to France (462 coins) and Germany (2,653). Actually it would be a necessary improvement if we include private issued notgeld tokens. They are hundreds, but there are currently very few in Numista, and in Exonumia, like this one from Igualada
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia144932.html

About banknotes, I have no opinion.

Hi, let me know if I can do spmething to help improving this part of the Numista catalog.

Hello

I think I will add these next.

I don't think we will rename "Spain - Civil War". This is consistent with other issuers that use a hyphen to define a period. That being said, it isn't consistent with "Russia - Civil war issues" for example, but we can fix this later.

There are a few typos I will fix, like "Austurias", etc. Additionally, I propose the following:

"Monterrubio de la Serena" -> "Monterrubio de la Serena, Municipality of"

"Euskadi, Government of" -> "Basque Country" (Euskadi is not English, and the government can be added as a ruling authority)

"Catalonia, Government of" -> "Catalonia" (as above, the government is an authority)

"Cantabria, Province of" -> "Santander, Province of" (this is the name it had when the last coins/notes were issued)

"Santander, Palencia, and Burgos, Interprovincial Council of" -> "Santander, Palencia, and Burgos, Provinces of" (as above, the council is a ruling authority)

"Asturias and León, Sovereign Council of" -> "Asturias and León, Provinces of" (as above, although it geographically it's a grey area, so Sovereign Council might work as well)

For me is perfect, only a little correction, is not Austurias, is Asturias ;)

引用する: "stratocaster"​​I don't think we will rename "Spain - Civil War". This is consistent with other issuers that use a hyphen to define a period. That being said, it isn't consistent with "Russia - Civil war issues" for example, but we can fix this later.

​​I thought we were trying to move away from the hyphen though? That is why, in any country modification request I have made so far, it has involved re-naming the country to remove the hyphen (and I think, for those with the hyphen, that is a good indication of countries that still need work done). To remove the hyphen here, we would need to rename this issuer to "Spanish Civil War", and whenever we get to Russia, we could name it "Russian Civil War" for consistency.

引用する: "stratocaster"​"Monterrubio de la Serena" -> "Monterrubio de la Serena, Municipality of"

​I missed this one's title. Thank you!​

引用する: "stratocaster""Euskadi, Government of" -> "Basque Country" (Euskadi is not English, and the government can be added as a ruling authority)

​On the coins, these specifically say "Government of Euskadi". If you want to change Euskadi to Basque, I would be fine with that (just make sure that typing "Euskadi" brings up Basque); however, I think "Government of Basque" or "Basque Government" would be more accruate to the issued coins.
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引用する: "stratocaster""Catalonia, Government of" -> "Catalonia" (as above, the government is an authority)

I actually think the title is important here because we already have another Catalonia issuer (Principality of Catalonia). If we leave this one without a title, I imagine there would be some confusion as to which to add items under, as a generic "Catalonia" could theoretically include the principality era.​

And on the banknotes, they specifically say "Government of Catalonia", hence why I went with that title (and it is also consistent with Euskadi/Basque, whether or not we include that title for that issuer).
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引用する: "stratocaster""Cantabria, Province of" -> "Santander, Province of" (this is the name it had when the last coins/notes were issued)

​This works for me.
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引用する: "stratocaster""Santander, Palencia, and Burgos, Interprovincial Council of" -> "Santander, Palencia, and Burgos, Provinces of" (as above, the council is a ruling authority)
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​"Asturias and León, Sovereign Council of" -> "Asturias and León, Provinces of" (as above, although it geographically it's a grey area, so Sovereign Council might work as well)

​The coins of these two places both specify the title "Council", and with the "Interprovincial Council"/"Sovereign Council" being the official title of these places during this coin-issuing period, I thought these would be most accurate to the coins.

And I do not see a problem with listing ruling authority titles within the country names, as long as the coins issued only covered one type of ruling authority--that is why we have many Empires, Republics, Duchies, etc., after all. So, for these particular issuers here, I would not see that as a problem.

And, if the "Asturias and León" title works, I'd especially not see a problem for including the proper title for "Santander, Palencia, and Burgos"--they are similar titles from related issuers, after all.

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On a side-note: I do not recall the new guidelines saying anything about whether or not to use the Oxford comma (included in "Santander, Palencia, and Burgos" in my above list). On this site, we have not actually been using it so far (for example: "Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha"), so... perhaps that is something to consider. I, personally, like the Oxford comma because of how it removed ambiguity, but I am fine with going either way.

I recall there is a book about it but can’t find it now … but there is some books about the banknotes of this period.
Found that if it can help you:
https://es.slideshare.net/Mercadation/monedas-durante-la-ii-repblica-y-guerra-civil-espaola-13823124

引用する: "Sulfur"​​​I thought we were trying to move away from the hyphen though? That is why, in any country modification request I have made so far, it has involved re-naming the country to remove the hyphen (and I think, for those with the hyphen, that is a good indication of countries that still need work done). To remove the hyphen here, we would need to rename this issuer to "Spanish Civil War", and whenever we get to Russia, we could name it "Russian Civil War" for consistency.

Yes indeed, but it's more complicated than that. The problem is that this token for example would fit in "Barcelona, City of". However, the parent won't fit, because it's not a civil war issue. It's the same situation for all the local tokens for all the other issuers that are period- or issue-specific. This Linz token for example is not notgeld. So I suspect that a better name for all these parents will be "Spain (local issuers)" or "Spanish local issuers" or something similar, not period-specific. Then we can use these issuers for modern exonumia too.

That being said, I don't know yet what the plan is, so I prefer to hold on with all these renamings for now.

引用する: "Sulfur"And on the banknotes, they specifically say "Government of Catalonia", hence why I went with that title (and it is also consistent with Euskadi/Basque, whether or not we include that title for that issuer).

As before, I suspect we need to consider exonumia as well. This is a Catalan issue as well for example, albeit fantasy.

When the territory of an issuer is very specific to a particular period and doesn't match the borders of some historic areas (e.g. "China, Provisional Government of the Republic of" and "Asturias and León, Sovereign Council of") I think it's fine to use the name of the authority. But when it's a historic region (Catalonia, Basque Country), I would prefer to leave the authority for the dedicated field in the database.

引用する: "Sulfur"​On a side-note: I do not recall the new guidelines saying anything about whether or not to use the Oxford comma (included in "Santander, Palencia, and Burgos" in my above list).

​It depends on who added the issuer. I generally use it:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/appeln-frelsdorf-frelsdorfermuehlen-meyerhof-osterndorf-wehldorf-and-wollingst_notgeld-banknotes-1.html

There have been a few periods in modern Spain with necessity coins locally issued, not only the war 1936-39. It would be more precise a name like Spanish local issues.

I don't understand the division in provinces first. The provinces never were the issuers (except for Badajoz), the issuers were the Municipalities and City, why not just order the real issuers alphabetically in stead of the division in provinces first?

引用する: "stratocaster"The problem is that this token for example would fit in "Barcelona, City of". However, the parent won't fit, because it's not a civil war issue. It's the same situation for all the local tokens for all the other issuers that are period- or issue-specific. This Linz token for example is not notgeld. So I suspect that a better name for all these parents will be "Spain (local issuers)" or "Spanish local issuers" or something similar, not period-specific. Then we can use these issuers for modern exonumia too.
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​That being said, I don't know yet what the plan is, so I prefer to hold on with all these renamings for now.

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​As before, I suspect we need to consider exonumia as well. This is a Catalan issue as well for example, albeit fantasy.

​I actually do not think we should consider Exonumia at all, in regards to the Coins/Banknotes country list.

Absolutely anything can issue a piece of Exonumia--including every single city that exists on this planet. If we start considering Exonumia, I imagine we would have to change all our states/provinces/notgeld issuers a "local issuers" issuers, and that will not help with the Coins/Banknotes sections at all--distinct numimatic areas will be unnecessarily grouped, and we would have a confusing mess. Luckily, the Coins and Banknotes issuers tend to align, hence why both of those can be considered together, but Exonumia is a whole other monster.

For Exonumia, I imagine under basically every country we could have a "Cities" issuer. "Canadian cities" and "Dutch cities" would have a lot, and for Barcelona specifically, we could have a "Spanish cities" issuer to store that city (and while there might be two Barcelonas, we have the ability to connect/duplicate issuers, so that should not be a problem).
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With that being said, all my proposed issuer are based on things issued during the Spanish Civil War--in regards to Coins/Banknotes, this section makes perfect sense, which is important to consider.

zegeri mentioned modern necessity money; however, I am unaware of any of that stuff on Numista. I would need to see some examples to see if I could work them into my above list (and if so, a name change would make sense), or if they would actually do better under a Spanish Notgeld section.

引用する: "stratocaster"When the territory of an issuer is very specific to a particular period and doesn't match the borders of some historic areas (e.g. "China, Provisional Government of the Republic of" and "Asturias and León, Sovereign Council of") I think it's fine to use the name of the authority. But when it's a historic region (Catalonia, Basque Country), I would prefer to leave the authority for the dedicated field in the database.

I do not agree with this, but I guess I have no power to do anything otherwise.

I still think including the title on Catalonia is important though, for the sake of clarity (as we already have one Catalonia).

引用する: "stratocaster"​​It depends on who added the issuer. I generally use it:
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/appeln-frelsdorf-frelsdorfermuehlen-meyerhof-osterndorf-wehldorf-and-wollingst_notgeld-banknotes-1.html

​Perhaps this could be something to add to the new guidelines then?

Again: while I prefer using the Oxford comma, I do not really care which way we go--as long as it is consistent.

There were actually a lot more local issuers during the Spanish Civil War. I checked two references and I found 1790 in total:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KrCPM1VP7t3MWBHTz7NQHzDMjQEbVBL-FfgAlvMd8_g/edit?usp=sharing

I checked a few of these municipalities, and there seem to be images readily available online for most of them, so we could add items in Numista. These are pretty much ready to be added, but we would need someone very dedicated who can populate the catalogue, like we've got for German and Austrian notgeld.

Wow. That is definitely a lot.

The 40 I listed were all ones I was easily able to find confirmable pictures of (they all seem to be common issuers, and I imagine everything currently on Numista falls within that list). I checked a few random ones from your list and came up with nothing, so I imagine we would need someone with a related catalogue to do that sort of work.

引用する: "stratocaster"​There were actually a lot more local issuers during the Spanish Civil War. I checked two references and I found 1790 in total:
​https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KrCPM1VP7t3MWBHTz7NQHzDMjQEbVBL-FfgAlvMd8_g/edit?usp=sharing

1790? You are speaking about banknotes, aren't you?

The only 12 municipalities that made coins during the Spanish Civil War are

• Marchena
  
• El Arahal
  
• La Ametlla del Vallés
  
• Olot
  
• Puebla de Cazalla
  
• Nulles
  
• Ibi
  
• Cazalla de la Sierra
  
• Lora del Río
  
• Arenys de Mar
  
• Segarra de Gaià
  
• Gratallops
  

and some isolated territories

• Gobierno de Euzkadi
  
• Consejo de Santander, Palencia y Burgos
  
• Consejo de Asturias y León
  
• Consejos Municipales de Menorca
  

I think all coins (42) are in Numista.

Private issued tokens are a lot more. Hundreds and very few in Numista in Exonumia.

There is a good book that you can find online "Monedas durante la II república y la guerra civil española" by J. Ovelleiro. There you can find all the official coins, a lot of private tokens, and some dubious coins.

But remember that history of Spanish local coinage is much longer than those of 1936-39. For example:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces26333.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces50716.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces26337.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces110736.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces194882.html

The 1 Peseta & 2 Pesetas coins inscribed 'Gobierno de Euzkadi' are listed in Krause under the name 'Vizcayan Republic'.

The Spanish Civil War coins should be under 'Nationalist Zone' or 'Republican Zone' - then under the province where these places are located.

The same thing also applies to the notes as well.

Aidan.

引用する: "BCNumismatics"​​The Spanish Civil War coins should be under 'Nationalist Zone' or 'Republican Zone' - then under the province where these places are located.

Too complex for so few coins.

引用する: "zegeri"​​1790? You are speaking about banknotes, aren't you?

​Yes! But the database entries are shared between exonumia, coins and banknotes

Any news about these new issuers?

引用する: "oynbcn"​

引用する: "BCNumismatics"​They should be divided by region, then by city or town.
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​​The same thing should also apply to the banknotes as well.
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​​Aidan.

​​According to the current Territorial Organization of Spain, and following the system of the French Notgelds, the different issuers of the Spanish Civil War are framed in the following Autonomous Communities:
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​Republican Zone:
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​CATALONIA, Autonomous Community:
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• AMETLLA DEL VALLÈS, City Council of
  ​
  
• ARENYS DE MAR, Municipal Council of
  ​
  
• GRATALLOPS, Municipality of
  ​
  
• NULLES, City Council of
  ​
  
• OLOT, City Council of
  ​
  
• SEGARRA DE GAIÀ, Municipal Council of
  ​
  

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​VALENCIA, Autonomous Community:
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• IBI, Municipal Council of
  ​
  

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​BALEARIC ISLANDS, Autonomous Community:
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• MENORCA, Municipal Councils of
  ​
  

​
​BASQUE COUNTRY, Autonomous Community:
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• EUZKADI, Government of
  ​
  

​
​ASTURIAS & CASTILE AND LEON, Autonomous Communities:
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• ASTURIAS Y LEÓN, Council of
  ​
  

​
​CANTABRIA & CASTILE AND LEON, Autonomous Communities:
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• SANTANDER, PALENCIA Y BURGOS, Council of
  ​
  

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​National Zone:
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​ANDALUSIA, Autonomous Community:
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• ARAHAL, City Council of
  ​
  
• CAZALLA DE LA SIERRA, Municipality of
  ​
  
• LORA DEL RÍO, Municipality of
  ​
  
• MARCHENA, Municipality of
  ​
  
• PUEBLA DE CAZALLA, Municipality of
  ​
  

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​Hi, any news about this new possible issuers? We could begin with the 16 issuers above, the ones who have coins in the Coin Catalogue. Then, we can continue with the rest of issuers of the Banknote Catalogue and Cooperative Exonumia coinage, what do you think?

Spain > Civil war > Republican zone > CATALONIA, Autonomous Community > AMETLLA DEL VALLÈS, City Council of
...
is a 5 level classification for only 42 coins. Too complex for a few coins.

I prefer a more generic classification for all the necessity coins, not only a few of the Civil war (1936-1939). Some examples:
Spain > Spanish Notgeld > Civil war (1936-1939) > Catalonia, Autonomous Community of > Ametlla del Valles, City of
...
Spain > Spanish Notgeld > Peninsular war (1807-1814) > Catalonia, Intendency of > Girona, City of
...
Spain > Spanish Notgeld > Franco-Spanish war (1635-1659) > Catalonia, Principality of > Barcelona, City of
...
These are 200~300 coins.

Hi, I like your classification, but I'm talking about start adding first the classification of the 42 Civil War coins to begin with something easy, then we can continue with the rest...

Local necessity coins have been issued on several occasions in Spain. We can create a division under Spain called "Spain necessity coins", "Spain local coins", or "Spanish notgeld", although the term notgeld seems only WWI related.

This division would have a lower level for each of the wars cause of these coins. And with another level for each issuer.

Reapers' war (1640-1659)
Agramunt, City of
Argentona, City of
Balaguer, City of
Banyoles, City of
Barcelona, City of
Bellpuig, City of
Berga, City of
Besalu, City of
Bisbal de l'Emporda, City of La
Caldes de Montbui, City of
Camprodon, City of
Cervera, City of
Figueres, City of
Girona, City of
Granollers, City of
Igualada, City of
Manresa, City of
Lleida, City of
Mataro, City of
Oliana, City of
Olot, City of
Perpinya, City of
Puigcerda, City of
Sanauja, City of
Solsona, City of
Tarrega, City of
Terrassa, City of
Tortosa, City of
Valls, City of
Vic, City of
Vilafranca del Penedes, City of
Peninsular war (1808-1814)
Girona, City of
Lleida, City of
Mallorca, Province of
Tarragona, City of
Tortosa, City of
Cantonal rebellion (1873-1874)
Cartagena, Canton of
Spanish civil war (1936-1939)
Ametlla del Valles, City of La
Arahal, City of
Arenys de Mar, City of
Asturias and Leon, Council of
Barcelona private issues
Cazalla de la Sierra, City of
Euzkadi, Government of
Ibi, City of
Igualada private issues
Lora del Rio, City of
Manlleu private issues
Marchena, City of
Menorca, Councils of
Nulles, City of
Olot, City of
Puebla de Cazalla, City of
Santander, Palencia y Burgos, Council of
Segarra de Gaia, City of

This proposal is only for coins and private issues already in Numista, minted for local or regional circulation.

引用する: "zegeri"​Local necessity coins have been issued on several occasions in Spain. We can create a division under Spain called "Spain necessity coins", "Spain local coins", or "Spanish notgeld", although the term notgeld seems only WWI related.
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​This division would have a lower level for each of the wars cause of these coins. And with another level for each issuer.
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​Reapers' war (1640-1659)
​ Agramunt, City of
​ Argentona, City of
​ Balaguer, City of
​ Banyoles, City of
​ Barcelona, City of
​ Bellpuig, City of
​ Berga, City of
​ Besalu, City of
​ Bisbal de l'Emporda, City of La
​ Caldes de Montbui, City of
​ Camprodon, City of
​ Cervera, City of
​ Figueres, City of
​ Girona, City of
​ Granollers, City of
​ Igualada, City of
​ Manresa, City of
​ Lleida, City of
​ Mataro, City of
​ Oliana, City of
​ Olot, City of
​ Perpinya, City of
​ Puigcerda, City of
​ Sanauja, City of
​ Solsona, City of
​ Tarrega, City of
​ Terrassa, City of
​ Tortosa, City of
​ Valls, City of
​ Vic, City of
​ Vilafranca del Penedes, City of
​Peninsular war (1808-1814)
​ Girona, City of
​ Lleida, City of
​ Mallorca, Province of
​ Tarragona, City of
​ Tortosa, City of
​Cantonal rebellion (1873-1874)
​ Cartagena, Canton of
​Spanish civil war (1936-1939)
​ Ametlla del Valles, City of La
​ Arahal, City of
​ Arenys de Mar, City of
​ Asturias and Leon, Council of
​ Barcelona private issues
​ Cazalla de la Sierra, City of
​ Euzkadi, Government of
​ Ibi, City of
​ Igualada private issues
​ Lora del Rio, City of
​ Manlleu private issues
​ Marchena, City of
​ Menorca, Councils of
​ Nulles, City of
​ Olot, City of
​ Puebla de Cazalla, City of
​ Santander, Palencia y Burgos, Council of
​ Segarra de Gaia, City of
​
​This proposal is only for coins and private issues already in Numista, minted for local or regional circulation.

​Hello,
I'm working on this at the moment, I've prepared about 600 of 1600+ issuers for coins and banknotes, but it will take a while longer to finish everything.

However, I prefer not to structure them by war. This way, some issuers are duplicated. e.g. Girona will be under Reaper's war, Peninsular war, and Civil war (for notes). I think better to keep one Girona and add ruling authorities for each war. The ruling authorities can be connected so when you click on Reaper's war for example you can see all the coins from all issuers. Would this work for you?

How about dividing them by region as well?

Of course 'y' means '&' in Spanish.

Aidan.

引用する: "BCNumismatics"​How about dividing them by region as well?

​In Reapers' war all are from the same region. In Peninsular war all except one from the same region. In Cantonal rebellion only one issuer. In Civil war five regions.

Add one level doesn't seem useful, except perhaps with Civil war.

引用する: "stratocaster"​
​However, I prefer not to structure them by war. This way, some issuers are duplicated. e.g. Girona will be under Reaper's war, Peninsular war, and Civil war (for notes). I think better to keep one Girona and add ruling authorities for each war. The ruling authorities can be connected so when you click on Reaper's war for example you can see all the coins from all issuers. Would this work for you?

Perfect for me.
​

Perfect for me too, many thanks for your effort, Stratocaster.

Hello everyone, I think this theme was being carried by Stratocaster, but he no longer has the functions it used to do, is there someone who is dedicating himself to this?
Regards, Oscar

The 2 coins inscribed 'Euzkadi' should be under 'Vizcayan Republic', which is what it is under in Krause.

Aidan.

Krause put Vizcayan Republic under Euzkadi.

I don't know what is Viscayan Republic, the issuer of the coins was the Govern of Euzkadi (as can be read in the coins in Spanish). In any case we are not required to follow the errors of Krause.

I don't think that has to be the case. Vizcaya is one of the three provinces that make up the Autonomous Community of Euskadi (Basque Country in Spanish), and I believe that the Viscayan Republic has never existed, so I don't know where Krause's information comes from, but on the coins it says Government of Euskadi.

引用する: "oynbcn"​Hello everyone, I think this theme was being carried by Stratocaster, but he no longer has the functions it used to do, is there someone who is dedicating himself to this?
​Regards, Oscar

​Óscar, Aidan. This theme is in the point where Andrei left. I have made other requests to the Admin team, but now pejounet is the one-man band. Currently there are 128 pending requests about countries and lots about mints, coins, banknotes, ...
Let's be patient and help him by making clear and well-documented requests.

Hello, I understand that everything takes time, there is no rush on my part, I was just curious to know how this topic was doing.

I will continue trying to help in whatever way I can, as I think I usually do.

Thank you very much for the information.

Hello everyone, I'm back to this topic since from April to, the number of pages of notgeld from Spain (particularly in banknotes) has increased a lot and we have gone from about 100 banknotes to almost 1850 in the Numista Catalog (and there are still quite a few to be introduced) 

 

I don't know if it's time to start thinking about how to organize this section since currently in Numista we have more than 650 new issuers to add, and more to still not introduced in our catalog.

 

I await your opinion.

Regards, Oscar

Hi, just as an example and in case it may be useful, I present the list of municipalities only in the province of Barcelona that we currently have in the Numista banknote catalogue:

 

----- Barcelona, Province of
---------- Abrera, Municipality of
---------- Aguilar de Segarra, Municipality of
---------- Aiguafreda, Municipality of
---------- Aigüesbones, Municipality of
---------- Aigüesbones de Montbui, Municipality of
---------- Aigüestoses del Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Alba del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Alella, Municipality of
---------- Arenys de Munt, Municipality of
---------- Argentona, Municipality of
---------- Artés, Municipality of
---------- Aurora de Lluçanès, Municipality of
---------- Avià, Municipality of
---------- Avinyó, Municipality of

---------- Bagà, Municipality of
---------- Bages d’en Selves, Municipality of
---------- Baix Montseny, Municipality of
---------- Balenyà, Municipality of
---------- Balsareny, Municipality of
---------- Barcelona, Municipality of
---------- Begues, Municipality of
---------- Bellpuig, Municipality of
---------- Bellserrat, Municipality of
---------- Berga, Municipality of
---------- Bigues i Riells del Fai, Municipality of
---------- Bisaura de Ter, Municipality of
---------- Borredà, Municipality of

---------- El Bruc, Municipality of
---------- Cabrera de Mataró, Municipality of
---------- Cabrils, Municipality of
---------- Calaf, Municipality of
---------- Calders, Municipality of
---------- Caldes d’Estrac, Municipality of
---------- Caldes de Montbui, Municipality of
---------- Calella, Municipality of
---------- Calldetenes, Municipality of
---------- Callús, Municipality of
---------- Canet de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Capellades, Municipality of
---------- Cardedeu, Municipality of
---------- Cardona, Municipality of
---------- Carme, Municipality of
---------- Castellar de n’Hug, Municipality of
---------- Castellar del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Castellbell i el Vilar, Municipality of
---------- Castelldefels, Municipality of
---------- Castellet de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Castellgalí, Municipality of
---------- Castellolí, Municipality of
---------- Castellsarroca, Municipality of
---------- Castelltersol, Municipality of
---------- Castellví de la Marca, Municipality of
---------- Centelles, Municipality of
---------- Cervelló, Municipality of

---------- Cirerer del Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Codines del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Collbató, Municipality of
---------- Collsuspina, Municipality of
---------- Copons, Municipality of
---------- Corbera de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Dosrius, Municipality of
---------- Esparreguera, Municipality of
---------- Esplugues de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- L’Estany, Municipality of
---------- La Força, Municipality of
---------- Les Franqueses del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Fruiters, Municipality of
---------- La Garriga, Municipality of
---------- Gavà, Municipality of
---------- Gelida, Municipality of
---------- Gironella, Municipality of
---------- Gisclareny, Municipality of
---------- Glevinyol de Ter, Municipality of
---------- Gramanet del Besòs, Municipality of
---------- La Granada del Penedès, Municipality of
---------- Granollers, Municipality of
---------- Gualba, Municipality of
---------- Guardiola de Berga, Municipality of
---------- Horts del Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Els Hostalets de Pierola, Municipality of
---------- Igualada, Municipality of

---------- Just Desvern, Municipality of
---------- La Llacuna, Municipality of
---------- Llavaneres, Municipality of
---------- Llavaneres de Montalt, Municipality of
---------- Llinars, Municipality of
---------- Llorenç d’Hortons, Municipality of
---------- Llorenç del Penedès, Municipality of
---------- Lloriana de Ter, Municipality of
---------- Lluçà, Municipality of
---------- Malgrat, Municipality of
---------- Malla i Miramberc, Municipality of
---------- Manlleu, Municipality of
---------- Manresa, Municipality of
---------- Martorell, Municipality of
---------- Martorelles de Baix, Municipality of
---------- El Masnou, Municipality of
---------- Mataró, Municipality of
---------- Mediona, Municipality of
---------- Moià, Municipality of
---------- Molins de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Monistrol de Bages, Municipality of
---------- Monistrol de Montserrat, Municipality of
---------- Els Monjos del Penedès, Municipality of
---------- Montcada i Reixac, Municipality of
---------- Montgat, Municipality of
---------- Montmany-Figaró, Municipality of
---------- Montmeló, Municipality of

---------- Montornès del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Montseny, Municipality of
---------- Navarcles, Municipality of
---------- Navàs, Municipality of
---------- Òdena, Municipality of
---------- Olesa de Montserrat, Municipality of
---------- Oló, Municipality of
---------- Olost de Lluçanès, Municipality of
---------- Olvan, Municipality of
---------- Oristà, Municipality of
---------- Palafolls, Municipality of
---------- Palau-Solità, Municipality of
---------- Palautordera, Municipality of
---------- Pallejà, Municipality of
---------- La Palma de Cervelló, Municipality of
---------- El Papiol, Municipality of
---------- Perafita, Municipality of
---------- Perpètua de Moguda, Municipality of
---------- Pi de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Piera, Municipality of
---------- Pineda, Municipality of
---------- Pinedes del Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Pins del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- La Pobla de Claramunt, Municipality of
---------- La Pobla de Lillet, Municipality of
---------- Polinyà, Municipality of
---------- El Prat de Llobregat, Municipality of

---------- Prats d’Anoia, Municipality of
---------- Prats de Lluçanès, Municipality of
---------- Premià, Municipality of
---------- Premià de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Puig-reig, Municipality of
---------- Rellinars, Municipality of
---------- Riells del Fai, Municipality of
---------- Ripoll del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Ripollet, Municipality of
---------- Riudebitlles, Municipality of
---------- Riudor de Bages, Municipality of
---------- La Roca del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Roda de Ter, Municipality of
---------- Roses de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Rubí, Municipality of
---------- Rupit, Municipality of
---------- Sabadell, Municipality of
---------- Sadurní d’Anoia, Municipality of
---------- Saldes, Municipality of
---------- Sant Pol de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Sasserra de Bages, Municipality of
---------- Sentmenat, Municipality of
---------- Sesrovires, Municipality of
---------- Seva, Municipality of
---------- Sitges, Municipality of
---------- Subirats, Municipality of
---------- Súria, Municipality of

---------- Taradell, Municipality of
---------- Teià, Municipality of
---------- Terrassa, Municipality of
---------- Terrassola i Lavit, Municipality of
---------- Tiana, Municipality of
---------- Tona, Municipality of
---------- Tordera, Municipality of
---------- Torelló, Municipality of
---------- Torrelles de Foix, Municipality of
---------- Torrelles de Llobregat, Municipality of
---------- Ullastrell, Municipality of
---------- Vacarisses, Municipality of
---------- Vallbona d’Anoia, Municipality of
---------- Vallcebre, Municipality of
---------- Vallflorida, Municipality of
---------- Vallgorguina, Municipality of
---------- Vic, Municipality of
---------- Vilaboi, Municipality of
---------- Vilada, Municipality of
---------- Viladecans, Municipality of
---------- Viladecavalls, Municipality of
---------- Vilafranca del Penedès, Municipality of
---------- Vilamajor, Municipality of
---------- Vilanova de Sau, Municipality of
---------- Vilanova del Vallès, Municipality of
---------- Vilanova i la Geltrú, Municipality of
---------- Vilassar de Dalt, Municipality of

---------- Vilassar de Mar, Municipality of
---------- Vilatorta, Municipality of
---------- Voltregà, Municipality of

Let me know if I can help in anything.

 

Regards, Oscar

Hi!

I can make this move forward maybe :-)

Give me the list of new issuers you need for existing entries and I'll create the section and sub sections

Thank you very much, I know it's a lot of work because there are about 800 new issuers that need to be added, but I think it's worth doing. 

 

I don't know how you want me to send it to you, I'd better start with the Provinces (that's how we agreed to classify it) of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia, which are the ones with the most municipalities/issuers (more than 500). 

 

In these new issuers of Catalonia, the Municipalities that issued coins and banknotes are already included, since I understand that the database is common.

Barcelona, Province of

Abrera, Municipality of
Aguilar de Segarra, Municipality of
Aiguafreda, Municipality of
Aigüesbones, Municipality of
Aigüesbones de Montbui, Municipality of
Aigüestoses del Llobregat, Municipality of
Alba del Vallès, Municipality of
Alella, Municipality of

L'Ametlla del Vallès, Municipality of

Arenys de Mar, Municipality of 

Arenys de Munt, Municipality of

Argentona, Municipality of
Artés, Municipality of
Aurora de Lluçanès, Municipality of
Avià, Municipality of
Avinyó, Municipality of

Bagà, Municipality of
Bages d’en Selves, Municipality of
Baix Montseny, Municipality of
Balenyà, Municipality of
Balsareny, Municipality of
Barcelona, Municipality of
Begues, Municipality of
Bellpuig, Municipality of
Bellserrat, Municipality of
Berga, Municipality of
Bigues i Riells del Fai, Municipality of
Bisaura de Ter, Municipality of
Borredà, Municipality of

El Bruc, Municipality of
Cabrera de Mataró, Municipality of
Cabrils, Municipality of
Calaf, Municipality of
Calders, Municipality of
Caldes d’Estrac, Municipality of
Caldes de Montbui, Municipality of
Calella, Municipality of
Calldetenes, Municipality of
Callús, Municipality of
Canet de Mar, Municipality of
Capellades, Municipality of
Cardedeu, Municipality of
Cardona, Municipality of
Carme, Municipality of
Castellar de n’Hug, Municipality of
Castellar del Vallès, Municipality of
Castellbell i el Vilar, Municipality of
Castelldefels, Municipality of
Castellet de Llobregat, Municipality of
Castellgalí, Municipality of
Castellolí, Municipality of
Castellsarroca, Municipality of
Castelltersol, Municipality of
Castellví de la Marca, Municipality of
Centelles, Municipality of
Cervelló, Municipality of

Cirerer del Llobregat, Municipality of
Codines del Vallès, Municipality of
Collbató, Municipality of
Collsuspina, Municipality of
Copons, Municipality of
Corbera de Llobregat, Municipality of
Dosrius, Municipality of
Esparreguera, Municipality of
Esplugues de Llobregat, Municipality of
L’Estany, Municipality of
La Força, Municipality of
Les Franqueses del Vallès, Municipality of
Fruiters, Municipality of
La Garriga, Municipality of
Gavà, Municipality of
Gelida, Municipality of
Gironella, Municipality of
Gisclareny, Municipality of
Glevinyol de Ter, Municipality of
Gramanet del Besòs, Municipality of
La Granada del Penedès, Municipality of
Granollers, Municipality of
Gualba, Municipality of
Guardiola de Berga, Municipality of
Horts del Llobregat, Municipality of
Els Hostalets de Pierola, Municipality of
Igualada, Municipality of

Just Desvern, Municipality of
La Llacuna, Municipality of
Llavaneres, Municipality of
Llavaneres de Montalt, Municipality of
Llinars, Municipality of
Llorenç d’Hortons, Municipality of
Llorenç del Penedès, Municipality of
Lloriana de Ter, Municipality of
Lluçà, Municipality of
Malgrat, Municipality of
Malla i Miramberc, Municipality of
Manlleu, Municipality of
Manresa, Municipality of
Martorell, Municipality of
Martorelles de Baix, Municipality of
El Masnou, Municipality of
Mataró, Municipality of
Mediona, Municipality of
Moià, Municipality of
Molins de Llobregat, Municipality of
Monistrol de Bages, Municipality of
Monistrol de Montserrat, Municipality of
Els Monjos del Penedès, Municipality of
Montcada i Reixac, Municipality of
Montgat, Municipality of
Montmany-Figaró, Municipality of
Montmeló, Municipality of

Montornès del Vallès, Municipality of
Montseny, Municipality of
Navarcles, Municipality of
Navàs, Municipality of
Òdena, Municipality of
Olesa de Montserrat, Municipality of
Oló, Municipality of
Olost de Lluçanès, Municipality of
Olvan, Municipality of
Oristà, Municipality of
Palafolls, Municipality of
Palau-Solità, Municipality of
Palautordera, Municipality of
Pallejà, Municipality of
La Palma de Cervelló, Municipality of
El Papiol, Municipality of
Perafita, Municipality of
Perpètua de Moguda, Municipality of
Pi de Llobregat, Municipality of
Piera, Municipality of
Pineda, Municipality of
Pinedes del Llobregat, Municipality of
Pins del Vallès, Municipality of
La Pobla de Claramunt, Municipality of
La Pobla de Lillet, Municipality of
Polinyà, Municipality of
El Prat de Llobregat, Municipality of

Prats d’Anoia, Municipality of
Prats de Lluçanès, Municipality of
Premià, Municipality of
Premià de Mar, Municipality of
Puig-reig, Municipality of
Rellinars, Municipality of
Riells del Fai, Municipality of
Ripoll del Vallès, Municipality of
Ripollet, Municipality of
Riudebitlles, Municipality of
Riudor de Bages, Municipality of
La Roca del Vallès, Municipality of
Roda de Ter, Municipality of
Roses de Llobregat, Municipality of
Rubí, Municipality of
Rupit, Municipality of
Sabadell, Municipality of
Sadurní d’Anoia, Municipality of
Saldes, Municipality of
Sant Pol de Mar, Municipality of
Sasserra de Bages, Municipality of
Sentmenat, Municipality of
Sesrovires, Municipality of
Seva, Municipality of
Sitges, Municipality of
Subirats, Municipality of
Súria, Municipality of

Taradell, Municipality of
Teià, Municipality of
Terrassa, Municipality of
Terrassola i Lavit, Municipality of
Tiana, Municipality of
Tona, Municipality of
Tordera, Municipality of
Torelló, Municipality of
Torrelles de Foix, Municipality of
Torrelles de Llobregat, Municipality of
Ullastrell, Municipality of
Vacarisses, Municipality of
Vallbona d’Anoia, Municipality of
Vallcebre, Municipality of
Vallflorida, Municipality of
Vallgorguina, Municipality of
Vic, Municipality of
Vilaboi, Municipality of
Vilada, Municipality of
Viladecans, Municipality of
Viladecavalls, Municipality of
Vilafranca del Penedès, Municipality of
Vilamajor, Municipality of
Vilanova de Sau, Municipality of
Vilanova del Vallès, Municipality of
Vilanova i la Geltrú, Municipality of
Vilassar de Dalt, Municipality of

Vilassar de Mar, Municipality of
Vilatorta, Municipality of
Voltregà, Municipality of

Girona, Province of

 

Agullana, Municipality of

Albons, Municipality of

Alp, Municipality of

Amer, Municipality of

Anglès, Municipality of

Arbúcies, Municipality of

Banyoles, Municipality of

Beget, Municipality of

Begudà, Municipality of

Begur, Municipality of

Bellcaire d'Empordà, Municipality of

Besalú, Municipality of

Bescanó, Municipality of

La Bisbal d'Empordà, Municipality of 

Blanes, Municipality of

Bordils, Municipality of

Borrassà, Municipality of

Breda, Municipality of

Cadaqués, Municipality of

Caldes de Malavella, Municipality of

Calonge de la Costa Brava, Municipality of

Campdevànol, Municipality of

Camprodon, Municipality of

Cassà de la Selva, Municipality of

Castellfollit de la Roca, Municipality of

Castelló d'Empúries, Municipality of

La Cellera de Ter, Municipality of

Celrà, Municipality of

Cervià de Ter, Municipality of

Empori, Municipality of

L’Escala, Municipality of

Farners de la Selva, Municipality of

Figueres, Municipality of

Flaçà, Municipality of

Foixà, Municipality of

Fonts de Sacalm, Municipality of

Fornells de la Selva, Municipality of

Garriguella, Municipality of

Girona, Municipality of

Guíxols, Municipality of

Hostalric, Municipality of

Hostoles, Municipality of

La Jonquera, Municipality of

Juià, Municipality of

Lladó, Municipality of

Llagostera, Municipality of

Llevantí de Mar, Municipality of

Llívia, Municipality of

Lloret de Mar, Municipality of

Maçanet de la Selva, Municipality of

Maià de Montcal, Municipality of

Massanes, Municipality of

Montagut de Fluvià, Municipality of

Ogassa, Municipality of

Oix, Municipality of

Olot, Municipality of

Osor, Municipality of

Palafrugell, Municipality of

Palamós, Municipality of

Palau-sacosta, Municipality of

Pals, Municipality of

Pardines, Municipality of

Pau de Sert, Municipality of

La Pera, Municipality of

Pla de Ter, Municipality of

Les Planes d'Hostoles, Municipality of

Planoles, Municipality of

Poble del Llierca, Municipality of

El Port de la Selva, Municipality of 

Les Preses, Municipality of

Puig-alt de Ter, Municipality of

Puigcerdà, Municipality of

Queralbs, Municipality of

Ribes de Freser, Municipality of

Ripoll, Municipality of

Riudarenes, Municipality of

Roses, Municipality of

Sarrià de Ter, Municipality of

Segúries de Ter, Municipality of

Sils, Municipality of

Susqueda, Municipality of

Torroella de Montgrí, Municipality of

Tortellà, Municipality of

Tossa de Mar, Municipality of

Ultramort, Municipality of

Urtx, Municipality of

Verges, Municipality of

Vidreres, Municipality of

Viladamat, Municipality of

Viladrau, Municipality of

Vilafant, Municipality of

Vilajuïga, Municipality of

Vilallonga de Ter, Municipality of

Vilobí d'Onyar, Municipality of

Lleida, Province of

 

Àger, Municipality of

Agramunt, Municipality of

L’Albagés, Municipality of           

Albesa, Municipality of

Alcarràs, Municipality of

Alcoletge, Municipality of

Alfarràs, Municipality of

Almacelles, Municipality of

Almatret, Municipality of

Arbeca, Municipality of

Els Archs, Municipality of

Artesa de Lleida, Municipality of

Artesa de Segre, Municipality of

Aspa, Municipality of

Balaguer, Municipality of

Barbens, Municipality of

La Baronia de Rialb, Municipality of

Bassella, Municipality of

Bellaguarda, Municipality of

Bellcaire d'Urgell, Municipality of

Bell-lloc d'Urgell, Municipality of

Bellver de Cerdanya, Municipality of

Bellvís, Municipality of

Benavent de Segrià, Municipality of

Biosca, Municipality of

Es Bòrdes, Municipality of

Les Borges Blanques, Municipality of

Bossòst, Municipality of

Bovera, Municipality of

Cabanabona, Municipality of

Camarasa, Municipality of

Castellciutat, Municipality of

Castelldans, Municipality of

Castellnou de Montsec, Municipality of

Castellnou de Seana, Municipality of

Castelló de Farfanya, Municipality of

Castellserà, Municipality of

Cervera, Municipality of

Cervià de les Garrigues, Municipality of

Ciutadilla, Municipality of

El Cogul, Municipality of

Coll de Nargó, Municipality of

Cubells, Municipality of

L’Espluga Calba, Municipality of

Esterri d'Áneu, Municipality of

Fígols de Segre, Municipality of

Figuerola d'Orcau, Municipality of

La Floresta, Municipality of

Freixanet - Sant Guim, Municipality of

La Fuliola, Municipality of

Gerri de la Sal, Municipality of

Gósol, Municipality of

La Granadella, Municipality of

Granyena de les Garrigues, Municipality of

Els Guiamets, Municipality of

Guimerà, Municipality of

Guissona, Municipality of

Isona, Municipality of

Ivars de Noguera, Municipality of

Ivorra, Municipality of

Juneda, Municipality of

Les, Municipality of

Linyola, Municipality of

Llardecans, Municipality of

Llavorsí, Municipality of

Lleida, Municipality of

Maials, Municipality of

Maldà, Municipality of

La Manresana, Municipality of

Menàrguens, Municipality of

Mollerussa, Municipality of

Moncortès de Pallars, Municipality of

Montellà i Martinet, Municipality of

Mont-ros, Municipality of

Morunys - Llorenç Morunys, Municipality of

Nalec, Municipality of

Noves de Segre, Municipality of

Oliana, Municipality of

Els Omellons, Municipality of

Organyà, Municipality of

Os de Balaguer, Municipality of

El Palau d'Anglesola, Municipality of

Penelles, Municipality of

Peramola, Municipality of

Pineda de Segarra, Municipality of

El Pla del Cadí, Municipality of

Plana de Riucorb, Municipality of

El Poal, Municipality of

Pobla de Segur, Municipality of

El Pont de Suert, Municipality of

Ponts, Municipality of

La Portella, Municipality of

Preixens, Municipality of

Puigverd d'Agramunt, Municipality of

Puigverd de Lleida, Municipality of

Rialp, Municipality of

Ribera de Cardós, Municipality of

Rocafort de Vallbona, Municipality of

Rocallaura, Municipality of

Salardú, Municipality of

Salàs de Pallars, Municipality of

Sanaüja, Municipality of

Senterada, Municipality of

La Sentiu de Sió, Municipality of

La Seu d'Urgell, Municipality of

El Soleràs, Municipality of

Solsona, Municipality of

Sort, Municipality of

Soses, Municipality of

Tàrrega, Municipality of

Térmens, Municipality of

Tírvia, Municipality of

Tiurana, Municipality of

Toló, Municipality of

Torà de Riubregós, Municipality of

Tornabous, Municipality of

Torrebesses, Municipality of

Torregrossa, Municipality of

Torrelameu, Municipality of

Tragó de Noguera, Municipality of

Tremp, Municipality of

Vallfogona de Balaguer, Municipality of

Viella / Vielha, Municipality of

Vilaller, Municipality of

Vilanova de la Barca, Municipality of

Vilanova de Bellpuig, Municipality of

Vilanova de Meià, Municipality of

Vila-sana, Municipality of

Vila-seca de Solcina, Municipality of

Vinaixa, Municipality of

Tarragona, Province of

 

L’Albiol, Municipality of

Alcanar, Municipality of

Alcover, Municipality of

Alfara dels Ports, Municipality of

Alforja, Municipality of

Alió, Municipality of

Almoster, Municipality of

Altafulla, Municipality of

L’Ametlla de Mar, Municipality of

L’Ampolla, Municipality of

Amposta, Municipality of

L’Arboç, Municipality of

L’Argentera, Municipality of

Arnes, Municipality of

Ascó, Municipality of

Banyeres del Penedès

Barberà de la Conca

Batea, Municipality of

Bellvei, Municipality of

Benissanet, Municipality of

La Bisbal del Penedès, Municipality of

Blancafort, Municipality of

Bonastre, Municipality of 

Les Borges del Camp, Municipality of

Bot, Municipality of

Botarell, Municipality of

Bràfim, Municipality of

Cabra del Camp, Municipality of

Calafell, Municipality of

Cambrils de Mar, Municipality of

Capçanes, Municipality of

Castellvell del Camp, Municipality of

Constantí, Municipality of

Cornudella de Montsant, Municipality of

Creixell de Mar, Municipality of

Darmós, Municipality of

Domenys del Penedès, Municipality of

L’Espluga de Francolí, Municipality of

Falset, Municipality of

La Fatarella, Municipality of

La Febró, Municipality of

Flix, Municipality of

Forès, Municipality of

Freginals, Municipality of

La Galera del Pla, Municipality of

Gandesa, Municipality of

Garcia, Municipality of

Ginestar d'Ebre, Municipality of

Gratallops, Municipality of

Horta de Terra Alta, Municipality of 

Lilla, Municipality of

El Lloar, Municipality of

Marçà, Municipality of

Mas de Barberans, Municipality of

Masdenverge, Municipality of

Maspujols, Municipality of

Miravet, Municipality of

Montblanc, Municipality of

Montbrió del Camp, Municipality of

Montferri, Municipality of

Mont-ral, Municipality of

Mont-roig del Camp, Municipality of

Móra d'Ebre, Municipality of

Móra la Nova, Municipality of

El Morell, Municipality of

Nulles, Municipality of

Passanant, Municipality of, Municipality of

Paüls, Municipality of

El Perelló, Municipality of

El Pinell de Brai, Municipality of

El Pla de Cabra, Municipality of

Planes del Montsià, Municipality of

La Pobla de Mafumet, Municipality of

La Pobla de Montornès, Municipality of

Poboleda, Municipality of

El Pont d'Armentera, Municipality of

Porrera, Municipality of

Pradell de la Teixeta, Municipality of

Prades, Municipality of

Pratdip, Municipality of

Puigpelat, Municipality of

La Ràpita dels Alfacs, Municipality of

Reus, Municipality of

La Riba, Municipality of

Riba-roja d'Ebre, Municipality of

La Riera de Gaià, Municipality of

Riudecanyes, Municipality of

Riudecols, Municipality of

Riudoms, Municipality of

Rocafort de Queralt, Municipality of

Roda de Berà, Municipality of

Rodonyà, Municipality of

Roquetes, Municipality of

Salou, Municipality of

Sarral, Municipality of

Segarra de Gaià, Municipality of

La Selva del Camp, Municipality of

La Sénia, Municipality of

Serra d'Almos, Municipality of

Tarragona, Municipality of

Tivenys, Municipality of

Tivissa, Municipality of

La Torre de l’Espanyol, Municipality of

Torredembarra, Municipality of

Torroja del Priorat, Municipality of

Tortosa, Municipality of

Ulldecona, Municipality of

Ulldemolins, Municipality of

Vallclara, Municipality of

Vallfogona de Riucorb, Municipality of

Vallmoll, Municipality of

Valls, Municipality of

Vandellòs i l'Hospitalet de l'Infant, Municipality of

El Vendrell, Municipality of

Vilalba dels Arcs, Municipality of

Vilallonga del Camp, Municipality of

Vilanova d'Escornalbou, Municipality of

Vilanova de Prades, Municipality of

Vilaplana, Municipality of

Vila-rodona, Municipality of

Vila-seca de Solcina, Municipality of

Vimbodí i Poblet, Municipality of

Vinebre, Municipality of

Xerta, Municipality of

Oscar,

  That is certainly a lot of places.

 

Regarding the flags - it should be the flag of the Second Republic used to indicate those issued under the Republican Zone, & the flag of the Nationalists used to indicate those issued under the Francoist Zone.

 

Of course, the provinces & the local areas should also be indicated with their own flags - that is, if they have had them.

 

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

Of course, the provinces & the local areas should also be indicated with their own flags - that is, if they have had them.

Flags are something that need time in Numista, I’m still waiting since May 2021 for this one.

OK, for this volume, I'll procede by importing a batch.
We have to prepare a sheet with all informations. Here the doc I prepared for that : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DE0MAHSElWZvgJ6Sh3gY6NAvZoRvyoKi9AUE9HyRxCE/edit?usp=sharing
I put required infos for first 3 lines to show the logic.

 

Can you please help fill the blanks?
- do not touch red columns

- for wikidata codes, you'll find them on wikidata example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16675

- hard part is also putting right wording in three languages (careful in french with “de” or “d'” when first ltter of the city is a vowel)

 

Let me know if you have any question or trouble :-)

Ok, I'm on it. Please, if you can, tell me if I'm doing it correctly so I can continue.

 

Some of the Municipalities (especially in Catalonia) changed their names during the Second Spanish Republic. I have kept the name at the time of issuing the banknote, but in Wikidata there is a link to the current name (the old one logically does not appear).

If some of the municipalities changed name, we can make it searchable by both, just give us the names :)

I will also help out with the table. Lets also think in advance here:

 

Were all of those issuers using same currency?

Jarcek

If some of the municipalities changed name, we can make it searchable by both, just give us the names :)

Ok, I will give you the current name for the Municipalities that change them :)

 

The wikidata link reflects all the current names.

Jarcek

I will also help out with the table. Lets also think in advance here:

 

Were all of those issuers using same currency?

Yes, the Peseta system:

 

1 Peseta = 100 Céntimos

Based on English names, I generated all texts for columns B to I and added a few wikicodes.

When checking and adding wikicodes, please verify the wording for french and spanish as sometimes cities are not named exactly the same way than in english, which use catalan sometimes for instance
Also, if there is an alternative name, you can add it in columns Q/R/S if you wish (I did it for Ascó > Ansó)
Good teamwork folks, let's continue !

Hello, I don't know who has done almost all the work but congratulations for the speed. As for the alternative names, does it matter which column (Q/R/S) we use?

 

The option that you have writte is not correct, Ascó does not have an alternative name, it is an error in Wikidata that has mixed two municipalities in Spain: 

 

Ascó in the Province of Tarragona 

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q723440

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asc%C3%B3

 

Ansó in the Province of Huesca 

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q570484

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ans%C3%B3

Please use “R” - English alternative names. Those columns will most probably be merged in the future anyway.

oynbcn

Hello, I don't know who has done almost all the work but congratulations for the speed. As for the alternative names, does it matter which column (Q/R/S) we use?

 

The option that you have writte is not correct, Ascó does not have an alternative name, it is an error in Wikidata that has mixed two municipalities in Spain: 

 

Ascó in the Province of Tarragona 

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q723440

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asc%C3%B3

 

Ansó in the Province of Huesca 

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q570484

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ans%C3%B3

 

Oups sorry! I should have payed more attention.

Column Q is for alt names in French, R in English, S in spanish.

Its me who did it. I used the concatenation function of Excel which is of great help :-)

Wowww, I see that you will have to give me computer classes, hehehe.😉

 

I have already reviewed all the municipalities of the Province of Barcelona including alt names in French, in English and in spanish, ​​now I have to review those of Girona, Lleida and Tarragona. Many thanks for everything.

Ok perfect! Let me know when you finish, I'll review and probably Jarek too

once everything is green light, then I'll test the import with provinces only, then The entire batch.

For currency, if all of them share same dates thenwe can attach samecurrency to all of them.

What is this date range?

Compendium

Ok perfect! Let me know when you finish, I'll review and probably Jarek too

once everything is green light, then I'll test the import with provinces only, then The entire batch.

For currency, if all of them share same dates thenwe can attach samecurrency to all of them.

What is this date range?

The date range, for all the coins and banknotes in the Spanish Notgeld section, is that of the Spanish Civil War, from 1936 to 1939.

 

I'll let you know when I have the entire table of Catalonia Municipalities revised. When we finish with the Municipalities of Catalonia (more than 535 issuers), we will be able to continue with the rest of the Municipalities of Spain (over 290 issuers).

Ok, so we will create just one currency for all of them. :) Rulling authority would be split between the two sides, I presume?

Jarcek

Ok, so we will create just one currency for all of them. :) Rulling authority would be split between the two sides, I presume?

Yes, that is the case, Ruling authorities will be the Second Spanish Republic (99% of banknotes and all coins except those of the 5 Andalusian Municipalities indicated at the beginning of the Topic) and Francisco Franco.

 

For lovers of curiosities, there are Municipalities such as La Pobla de Segur in Catalonia that have banknotes issued by both sides, from before and after the entry of Franco's troops.

 

Republican: N#303527

Nationalist (Franco): N#334748

So some will have republic, some Franco, some both and there are some exceptions?

Jarcek

So some will have republic, some Franco, some both and there are some exceptions?

All banknotes and coins of the time were issued under the General Government of the Second Spanish Republic or under the Nationalist Regime of Francisco Franco.

 

The only possible exception could be considered the banknotes and coins of Asturias and León, since the Sovereign Council of Asturias and León declared itself independent from August 24, 1937 until the entry of Franco's troops on October 20, 1937, moment in which these coins and banknotes stopped circulating, so that, for only two months of self-proclaimed independence, they could be considered belonging to the Second Republic in my opinion.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Council_of_Asturias_and_Le%C3%B3n

Work done on my part, let me know if I can help with something else. I have reviewed all the names of the Municipalities, including alternative names (mostly the current name) and I have put the Wikidata codes.

oynbcn

Work done on my part, let me know if I can help with something else. I have reviewed all the names of the Municipalities, including alternative names (mostly the current name) and I have put the Wikidata codes.

Ok thanks, I'll check and import asap

everything went well. You can now attach items to the new issuers :)

Compendium

everything went well. You can now attach items to the new issuers :)

Hello, I have already started assigning issuers, I can't find the Municipalities that start with L' in the list, I don't know why. The rest work fine, I guess we have to wait to see them in their correct place, right?

oynbcn

Hello, I have already started assigning issuers, I can't find the Municipalities that start with L' in the list, I don't know why. The rest work fine, I guess we have to wait to see them in their correct place, right?

Weird, I was able to attach a banknote to L'Estany:  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/voir_demande.php?id=6983530

You can describe a bug in the forum for a specific case if it continues?

oynbcn

Compendium

everything went well. You can now attach items to the new issuers :)

Hello, I have already started assigning issuers, I can't find the Municipalities that start with L' in the list, I don't know why. The rest work fine, I guess we have to wait to see them in their correct place, right?

I am not sure with “Ls”, but once you add a banknote/coin there, it might take up to 24 hours to see everything in right order.

I found the issue : We added them with the “curved” apostrophy : ’
But when we look for them in the form, we don't find them if we use the “regular” apostrophe : '
I'll ask Xavier if it would be possible to make forms work for both apostrophes at search.

I have finished entering all the banknotes of the municipalities of Catalonia and I have found the following:

 

1. In the Province of Tarragona, the municipalities of Barberà de la Conca and Banyeres del Penedès lack the “Municipality of”.

 

2. It would be good to add the period of Francisco Franco (1936-1939) as was done with the Spanish Republic. There are few associated banknotes and coins, but there are some. 

 

3. I forgot to include 4 Municipalities: Cornellà de Llobregat, Ribes del Penedès and Sallent are missing in the Province of Barcelona, ​​and Espinelves are missing in the Province of Girona. If you need me to fill in these 4 municipalities, we can do it like the rest.

 

If you see fit, we can open a Topic “Spanish Notgeld” in Referees Section where we can add all the Municipalities that are missing, so as not to load this Topic anymore.

Hello!

 

I marked this as started, so we do not lose track. You "own" the first post, so you can edit it and separate new info:

 

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

 

1. Fixed

 

2. Added.

 

3. I presume it should be done similarly as the rest, there would be also other provinces to add, right?

Yes, there are many more issuers to add, I will write them here.

 

Province of Barcelona:

 

Cornellà de Llobregat (english and french) / Cornellá de Llobregat (spanish)  Wikidata: Q15602

 

Ribes del Penedès (english and french) / Ribas del Panadés (spanish)  Alternatives names (current name) Sant Pere de Ribes (english and french) and San Pedro de Ribas (spanish) Wikidata: Q15555

 

Sallent (english, french ans spanish) Alternatives names  Sallent de Llobregat (English, french and spanish) Wikidata: Q16728

 

Province of Girona:

 

Espinelves (english and french) / Espinelvas (spanish)  Wikidata: Q13780

 

I will try to add more issuers this weekend, thanks for everything!!!

New issuers to add from the Autonomous Community of Aragon, which consists of 3 Provinces. All of them are Municipalities, except one of Barbastro (one is Municipality and other is Comarca) and Montañana (District):

 

Huesca, Province of

Aínsa

Albalate de Cinca

Alcolea de Cinca

Alcubierre

Almunia de Cinca

Angüés

Arén

Barbastro

Barbastro, Comarca of

Benabarre

Benasque

Binéfar

Boltaña

Broto

Campo

Castejón de Sos

Esplús

Estada

Estopiñán

Fonz

Fraga

Grañén

Graus

Labuerda

Lanaja

Laspaúles

Montañana, District of

Monzón

Naval

Ontiñena

Poleñino

La Puebla de Castro

Sariñena

Selgua

Tamarite de Litera

Torralba de Aragón

 

Teruel, Province of

Ababuj

Alacón

Albalate Luchador

Alcañiz

Alcorisa

Aliaga

Blesa

Castel de Cabra

Castellote

Castelserás

Cretas

Escucha

Estercuel

La Fresneda

Híjar

Jatiel

Montalbán

Mora de Rubielos

Muniesa

Peñarroya de Tastavins

Rubielos de Mora

Samper de Calanda

Utrillas

Valderrobres

Valjunquera

 

Zaragoza, Province of

Azuara

Caspe

Escatrón

Fayón

Gelsa

Lagata

Lécera

Maella

Mequinenza

Nonaspe

Sástago

Velilla de Ebro

Villar de los Navarros

And more from the Provinces of Madrid and Badajoz, all of them are Municipalities except the ones from Badajoz (Province of):

 

Madrid, Province of

El Escorial de la Sierra

 

Badajoz, Province of

Badajoz, Province of

Campanario

Don Benito

Monterrubio de la Serena

Villanueva de la Serena

And more from the Province of Murcia, all of them are Municipalities:

 

Murcia, Province of

Abarán

Águilas

Albudeite

Los Alcázares

Alhama de Murcia

Archena

Beniel

Bullas

Calasparra

Caravaca

Cartagena

Cehegín

Ceutí

Cieza

Fortuna

Jumilla

Lorca

Mazarrón

Moratalla

Mula

Murcia

Pacheco

Pliego

San Javier

Totana

Ulea

La Unión

Villanueva

Yecla

I prepared the sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DE0MAHSElWZvgJ6Sh3gY6NAvZoRvyoKi9AUE9HyRxCE/edit#gid=561513895

 

Please add wikidata IDs :-)

And also of course verify the rest notably spelling of cities in lanuages :-)

Done, many thanks ;)

They are all imported ! 
Have fun ;-)

Hi, when I begin I see they don't have Ruling Authority option (Spanish Republic 1936-1939 or Francisco Franco 1936-1939), is it a bug?

oynbcn

Hi, when I begin I see they don't have Ruling Authority option (Spanish Republic 1936-1939 or Francisco Franco 1936-1939), is it a bug?

Hmm, maybe they need a nightly refresh first? These authorities are applied to the mother category “Spanish Notgeld”

Ok, I prefer to wait till tomorrow to continue adding new issuers, thanks!!!

Nightly refresh should take care of that probably.

All the banknotes and coins of the added issuers are already done. Today the Ruling Authority has worked correctly. 

 

I add the following issuers, some new ones from Catalonia, the 5 from Seville for coins and all those from the Autonomous Community of Castilla La Mancha. All of them are Municipalities. Thank you!!!!

 

Barcelona, Province of

L’Ametlla del Vallès

 

Girona, Province of

Argelaguer

 

Lleida, Province of

Vallbona de les Monges

 

Tarragona, Province of

Aldover

Corbera de Terra Alta

La Canonja

 

Seville, Province of

Arahal

Cazalla de la Sierra

Lora del Río

Marchena

Puebla de Cazalla

 

Albacete, Province of

Albacete

Almansa

Alpera

Bonete

Casas Ibáñez

Caudete

Chinchilla

Higueruela

Madrigueras

Montealegre del Castillo

La Roda

Socovos

Tobarra

Villarrobledo

 

Ciudad Real, Province of

Agudo

Alamillo

Almadén

Almagro

Argamasilla de Alba

Argamasilla de Calatrava

Ciudad Real

Campo de Criptana

Daimiel

Herencia

Huertezuelas

Manzanares

Pedro Muñoz

Piedrabuena

Puertollano

Santa Cruz de Mudela

Socuéllamos

La Solana

Tomelloso

Torrenueva

Valdepeñas

Villarrubia de los Ojos

Viso del Marqués

 

Cuenca, Province of

Belmonte

Huete

Las Mesas

San Clemente

Santa María del Campo Rus

Villagarcía del Llano

Villar de Olalla

 

Guadalajara, Province of

Guadalajara

 

Toledo, Province of

Los Navalmorales

Sonseca con Casalgordo

Villafranca de los Caballeros

Yepes

Do you plan other addings after? as I use excel formulas its way more faster for me to process a batch of 500 than 5 batches of 100 for instance :-)

Yes, I understand you. Some 130-140 more municipalities and some territories will still remain to be created, but of these pending municipalities (Valencian Community and Andalusia) I have yet to introduce banknotes, so it will be a little later.

 

If you can (and only if you can), I think it would be nice to create these last ones that I've sent you and you have my promise that the rest will all be one last time.

 

Many thanks, Oscar

On the database side, there is no problem in creating issuers beforehand, just to let you know.

Here it is : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DE0MAHSElWZvgJ6Sh3gY6NAvZoRvyoKi9AUE9HyRxCE/edit#gid=166127881

 

Please add Wikidata as usual + same controls :-)
I can uplaod it until tuesday night, after that I'll be away for a few days

Done!!!! Many thanks Compendium and Jarel ;)

All imported :-)