20 Dollars Saint-Gaudens; Roman numerals

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Hello,

I have this gold coin which I identified as https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces23163.html

It has Roman numerals and "E PLURIBUS UNUM" inscription.

Here are a few pics:





Can anyone tell me what is the market value. I did my research and cannot find anyone selling this coin.
I would be hesitant of this coin if not graded especially seeing the difference of the distance of the stars to the rim. I would imagine with as rare as this coin potentially is you should try to get it graded and if it does indeed check out I imagine you would get quite the premium over melt.

Hope that was helpful
Matt
Have a close look at the obverse of the coin and compare the location of stars in reference to the letters in LIBERTY. If it is real gold it has at least the melt value, but I'm thinking it won't even be gold ...

And please always provide weight and size
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Hello guys,

Thank you for the quick responses.

The coin weights 33.43g and it is tested. The test shows 91% gold.




Problem is I am not American and don't really have a reference how much it is worth to a collector. Could you point me to some contacts, or services who will be able to give me a price. It would be appreciated if they can do it remotely.
The position of the stars makes it seem more likely to be this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces23128.html

Admittedly I'm not expert, but that looks like a better match, especially since the composition seems to be good.

Here's the PCGS link with their estimated prices for that piece: https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/st-gaudens-20/67/most-active

As for grading, I don't know much about the process, but it's my impression that remote grading/authentication isn't really a thing.
I think your link is a bit wrong, it is not a pattern coin with a mintage of 24, but you have this coin:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces23128.html

The prices for them you can find at NGC:
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/saint-gaudens-20-1907-1933-pscid-70/1907-high-relief-20-ms-coinid-19135

I believe it is in VF condition, +-. With a price, it gives around $9,500. You can click there to see the lots sold and dates.

Of course, it is all true, if it is an original coin. I believe only experts can confirm it. With pictures only, it will be hard.
I have my doubts about its authenticity as mentioned above but mostly I would like to once again point out that the price rages quoted by the grading companies (NGC and PCGS) are end of the rainbow RETAIL PRICES FOR SLABBED, AUTHENTICATED, PROFESSIONALY GRADED COINS. Always lower your expectations and IF GENUINE, you should expect at a minimum melt value and go from there. People who are told to expect to get $10,000 for a $2000 ungraded, raw, and unauthenticated coin are part of the problem with the coin collecting community.
引用する: "harryg"​I have my doubts about its authenticity as mentioned above but mostly I would like to once again point out that the price rages quoted by the grading companies (NGC and PCGS) are end of the rainbow RETAIL PRICES FOR SLABBED, AUTHENTICATED, PROFESSIONALY GRADED COINS. Always lower your expectations and IF GENUINE, you should expect at a minimum melt value and go from there. People who are told to expect to get $10,000 for a $2000 ungraded, raw, and unauthenticated coin are part of the problem with the coin collecting community.
​​I'd typically agree with this analysis. However, this is an exceedingly rare coin. Melt is not much of a factor. The coin has been polished a ton and It would not make a straight grade but will definitely end up in a slab. Here's a few example of poor condition coins that sold for over $6,000.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1907-20-GOLD-HIGH-RELIEF-PCGS-F-12-WIRE-EDGE-ST-GAUDENS-LOWBALL-TRUSTED-/254646824555?hash=item3b4a222e6b%3Ag%3A-cgAAOSwspxfBJ94&nma=true&si=qticNRRXNHsDUzIxcVp1zuoOJQQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
https://coins.ha.com/itm/high-relief-double-eagles/double-eagles/1907-20-high-relief-flat-rim-xf40-pcgs-pcgs-9136-/a/1319-3808.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
引用する: "nobody"
引用する: "harryg"​I have my doubts about its authenticity as mentioned above but mostly I would like to once again point out that the price rages quoted by the grading companies (NGC and PCGS) are end of the rainbow RETAIL PRICES FOR SLABBED, AUTHENTICATED, PROFESSIONALY GRADED COINS. Always lower your expectations and IF GENUINE, you should expect at a minimum melt value and go from there. People who are told to expect to get $10,000 for a $2000 ungraded, raw, and unauthenticated coin are part of the problem with the coin collecting community.
​​​I'd typically agree with this analysis. However, this is an exceedingly rare coin. Melt is not much of a factor. The coin has been polished a ton and It would not make a straight grade but will definitely end up in a slab. Here's a few example of poor condition coins that sold for over $6,000.


​Seems that you are convinced it is genuine while I am not. So "definitely end up in a slab" is a stretch. Polished is yet another issue I have with this coin and there are just too many red flags here to mention. When I am spending that kind of money, I want to see and have a raw coin in hand to make my own determination as to authenticity. The gentleman provided some probable evidence of gold content so If I was to take a chance on his coin the best I would offer is melt value . Id still like to know with accuracy the diameter of his coin. Exceedingly rare indeed so how did it end up in Bulgaria and where did he acquire it?
Gee, sorry about that. My response popped up 3 times somehow.
Hello to everyone who replied.

Thank you again for your tips and opinions.

Some of you are sceptic about the authenticity of the coin. I have the same feelings. I am not sure how can I find internationally recognized entity which can evaluate the authenticity. This is why I am looking for some evaluation services which can be online that promise 90% accuracy. That way I would know that it is worth the trip to a PCGS office.

I will also check with the person who I am representing where she got the coin and the story behind it.
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